Re: MY MISERABLE STORY ......Hurricane Wilma

In article <R2W8f.17767$_31.7587@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, write@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
(jonathan) wrote:

>
> "Jo Schaper" <joschapern4ospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:11m2qo67btmjgde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Several comments:
> >
> > Hey, if you chose to stay, great.
>
>
> Chose? It was half the size of Florida. A small error in the
> track could make Key West no safer than Tallahassee on the opposite
> end of the state. The whole point is that hurricanes are getting
> much larger in size. There was no point in trying to evacuate from
> this one.
>
>
>
> > But shouldn't you have prepared a bit
> > beforehand, in terms of squirreling water/gasoline/food and so forth?
> > How about Parrot food?
>
>
> Had 8 lbs of parrot food, 8 cans of tuna, 4 cans of chicken, 3 jars
> of mayo, a box of pudding cups, 2 boxes of fruit things in syrup, one large
> bag of pot, 4 12-packs of mountain dew code red (nectar of the caffeine gods)
> instead of water, a small bottle of bleach to purify water, 2 bottles of
> wine, 4 cans of beans, 8 cans of soup.
>
> And no can opener.

All you need is a sharp strong knife, something like a Bowie Knife, and you can
open a tin with that. You stab the lid, force the knife in and cut the top open.

>
> A knife and a needle nose vise grips work ok though.
> The day before I decided to buy a little table top barbecue
> and charcoal. Note, having charcoal makes you very popular~
> Spent the first two days grilling up everything we could
> before it spoiled. Ate great the first two days, then
> ...'urban camping' begins.
>
>
>
> >
> > People in earthquake areas have supplies, and houses reinforced.
>
>
> So do we, we have the best building codes anywhere since Andrew
> in 92. Most buildings here can take 110 mph winds. Which is no
> small thing.
>
>
>
> > People in flood zones have a plan, and usually a small boat. They know
> > which roads flood easily and which stay dry. They know when to stay and
> > when to go.
>
>
> So do we.
>
>
> > People in tornado alley have basements and storm cellars.
>
>
> There are no basements in Florida. Any hole more than 12 inches deep
> fills with water. The whole place is built on a swamp...er....wetlands.

It's O.K. This is a Geology newsgroup and we can call a swamp a swamp.


> > People who live in ice and snow winterize their cars, carry a sleeping
> > bag, a change of clothes, and usually some snacks in the winer.
> >
> > What is it about hurricane "victims"? All I ever see them on TV doing is
> > hammering plywood over windows. That is a good start, of course. When
> > the storm is over, the first thing which happens is the appeal to
> > charities and the feds."Oh, pity me, I'm stupid..."
>
>
> That's what I say whenever I see those cavers getting stuck underground.
> I root for the cave.
>
>
>
> > > Just came back from a town whose downtown a mile wide was leveled two
> > years ago from a 4-5 strength tornado
>
>
> A mile wide! This was essentially an f2 tornado that was two hundred and
> fifty
> miles across. Six million people lost electricity. Which means losing
> perishable
> food, water pressure, gas and money for days to weeks. Another category
> of two stronger it would've been six million homeless and another hundred
> billion dollar hit on the economy.
>
>
>
> in SW Missouri. You can't tell
> > now---the town only lost two businesses permanently (people on the verge
> > of retirement) and Main Street is back in business. Yeah, the town dealt
> > with FEMA and SEMA, but mostly the town put itself back together, with
> > local contractors doing cost-share labor. No people screaming "we need
> > jobs and health care." Hey, if everything's broke, there is plenty of
> > work that needs doing, and you don't need to be a journeyman carpenter
> > to know how to hammer a nail straight.
> >
> > The *Government" doesn't help. It seems to harass self-sufficient
> > people, while abandoning the clueless.
> >
> > I really don't understand this. Of course, I am of an age where civil
> > defense training and preparedness were part of our science/health
> > classes...we expected nuclear attack any day, so we were taught and
> > learned tricks for living on one's own, with little external
> > infrastructure for weeks on end. Things like purifying water/wilderness
> > medicine/what you needed on hand to 'get along' for some time until
> > things got back to normal. Even something as simple as keeping two
> > week's worth of canned/boxed food in the house at all times--and even
> > how to use your refrigerator as an 'icebox'. Of course, there was no
> > way to mitigate radiation...except burrowing underground.
> >
> > I'm just tagging here on Jonathan's experience...but there is something
> > seriously wrong with a culture which does not teach its children how to
> > find water, food, and shelter without a supermarket and a big brother
> > government to assist you. Or, even, to "know when to hold 'em and know
> > when to fold 'em" in dealing with a natural disaster. Sometimes,
> > running to safety temporarily is a *good* idea...
>
>
> Considering the size of this storm, it's been a remarkably civilized and
> efficient recovery. The worst civil disturbances were a few shouting
> matches at gas lines and such. The police were out enforcing the
> dawn to dusk curfew the first night. They were stationed at all
> open gas stations and grocery stored the second day, as were
> dozens of sights for free ice and water. Ice and water were
> ready and waiting before the storm hit and distributed quickly.
>
> Also the building codes are so good that it's remarkable how little
> structural damage occurred. The big hole seems to be having generators
> at gas stations, many are demanding they be forced to have them.
> Not having gas kept people from work and opening everything back up.
>
> All in all the pace of repairs and civility after this one was inspiring.
> This one pretty much culled any weaknesses around the city, we
> can take just about anything now. Miami is now as close to hurricane
> proof as any city can get. Virtually all the recovery efforts were local.
> Fema was a non-issue because the local govts were very well
> prepared.

I did hear that FEMA was pretty much a non-issue in New Orleans too, apart from
getting in the way.



Alan

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