Re: Shrinking Earth

In article <memo.20051123191255.1048B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Alan) wrote:

> In article <Xns97177C8C84CDzsp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, azen@xxxxxxxxxx (Al Zenner)
> wrote:
>
> > alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Alan) wrote in
> > news:memo.20051123154500.496a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
> >
> > >> I don't need to learn from you. I learned all about stress-testing at
> > >> college and have done some myself too.
> >
> > >> > Read about Young's modulus and actually understand it in order to
> > >> > keep from making overly generalized inane comments.
> >
> > >> Hey, I have forgotten more about Young's modulus than you obviously
> > >> ever learnt.
> >
> > >> Don't try to teach me stuff that I learnt back when I was 17.
> >
> > > Let's put it another way. One of the qualifications I do have is in
> > > Metallurgy.
> >
> > A pity, really, since you seem to have about as much of a grasp of the
> > subject as Donald Duck has about geology.
> >
> > > When you have put a metal rod into a tensile-stress tester and loaded it
> > > up until the rod breaks then you can lecture me about tensile testing.
> >
> > Here I qualify. Since you're going for a dicksize contest let me help
> > you. It doesn't count unless at least once you made the test specimen,
> > out of raw materials, with your own hands, as I did. Minor surface
> > defects easily become locations for catestrophic failure.
>
> Oh I agree.
>
> >
> > > When you have put a metal rod into a hydraulic press and pressed it
> > > sideways until it sheers, then you can come talk to me about
> > > shear-stress testing.
> >
> > Your description leaves a lot to be desired but I am qualified to comment
> > on this as well. Do take notice that your personal requirements
> > defining qualification leave me underwhelmed.
>
> Well only somebody like you would try to condense a whole course of study
> into one newsgroup post.
>
> > > When you have taken a metal rod and crushed it in an hydraulic press
> > > then you can give me lectures regarding that too.
> >
> > Oh give it up already, I am far more qualified than you dare to think
> > you might be.
>
> *Yawn*
>
> > I am assuming you took readings during testing with calibrated
> > instruments because the effort is worthless without them.
>
> No, I got a pair of pliers each end and pulled and measured with a piece of
> string. That, in case you fail to recognise it, is sarcasm.
>
> > > And while you try to teach me about Young's modulus, shall we also talk
> > > about The Principle of Moments around a point, or did you think that was
> > > just the name of a Robert Plant record?
> >
> > Would you become completely self correcting. Now that you've mentioned
> > "point" which is actually a region rather than a point for the purposes
> > we're actually discussing, let's review one of your recent mistakes.
> > Here's what you wrote:
>
> A "region" is nothing more than numerous "points".
>
>
> > "Its internal crystalline structure has irrevocably broken down. It is
> > effectively a different material."
> >
> > That, in scientific terms, is only correct for the region of failure. The
> > entire structure hasn't necessarily failed, and in test samples, depending
> > on the type of material in the sample. It is rare that the entire specimen
> > fails. And of course that is also true of rock formations in nature.
>
> Oh sorry, shall I spend all night explaining how a rock can consist of
> numerous different minerals, each with their own point of failure? The above
> statement is also true in design and construction terms. Any machine, or
> building will fail at its weakest point. If you have a six foot bar and it is
> broken in half, it no longer functions as a six foot bar and it has "failed".
> Of course, you could use it as two three foot bars instead, but if you really
> needed a six foot bar it is a total failure. And a rock will break at its
> weakest point. Ask any stonemason.
>
> >
> > What was my complaint that you once again didn't think about before
> > spewing?
> >
> > "Read about Young's modulus and actually understand it in order to
> > keep from making overly generalized inane comments."
> >
> > When the "weakest link" fails catastrophically (that's you) the pressure
> > is relieved. However, if you actually understood compression failure and
> > the mathematics involved I'd suggest you take a look at simple train
> > derailments and the usual arrangement of the railway cars when the whole
> > mess comes to rest.
>
> Well are you now going to tell me about trains? Oh let me see now; who do you
> think trained me as an engineer. Shall I tell you a couple of safety points
> regarding train travel? Always sit in the middle of the train, with your back
> to the direction of motion and behind any internal glass partitions.

I forgot to add to sit in the middle of the vehicle away from the bogies. There
have been accidents where the bogies come up through the floor, which gets a
trifle messy so when I worked for the railway they were utilising heavier
vehicles with lighter bogies that should fly clear of the train in the events
of a collision scenario, but I guess that could get risky for anybody outside
the vehicle.

> And if
> there are overheads cables don't sit in the vehicle with the pantograph on.
> And those underground trains with a third rail system, they are usually
> running at around 600 Volts DC which is why they spark like that, and if you
> become attached to a DC circuit it is one hell of a bitch getting off again
> because there is no null point voltage. It burns like hell and hurts like you
> can't imagine.
>
> >
> > And the following was a particularly nice example of yet another
> > generalized inane comment.
> >
> > > And for example steel; I bet you think of steel as pure metal; its not;
> > > it is an alloy of iron and carbon, which actually makes steel a carbon
> > > compound with a distinct crystaline structure.
> >
> > Steel is not a "compound" but you are correct in calling it an alloy. If
> > you look carefully, depending on the particular alloy, you can actually
> > see the carbon as a discrete component, which cannot be independently
> > seen visually in a compound. See how you run off at the mouth/keyboard
> > and make inane generalizations!
>
> Steel is an alloy if you are an engineer, and if you are a chemist it is a
> compound. As this is a geology newsgroup I took the point of view that I
> should use the scientific term. See how you run off at the mouth/keyboard and
> make inane generalizations!
>
>
> > Consider also that for many materials more than one crystalline sequence
> > is available.
> >
> > > Now do go away and stop being so irksome.
> >
> > You have a lot of people to kill before you can become king of usenet.
> > It isn't that any sensible person wants the post, but a lot of folks
> > wouldn't stand for that title being yours.
>
> Hey, shall I go and get a few friends of mine from the newsgroup
> alt.usenet.kooks? I am sure we could fix you up with some kind of an award?
>
> >
> > > I am trying to think of ways to speed up the process of impeaching
> > > Tony Bliar, the Right Honourable Member of Parliament for Texas North".
> > > Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair
> >
> > It is obvious to all sane readers in this newsgroup that you're bound to
> > have much better success in political persuits than you can ever hope to
> > achieve in science or engineering. Politics embraces windbags, after all.
>
> Hey, I just kinda got married into a political family, but I learned quick,
> and I'm the one who came through it still alive.
>
> > > Haven't you got some turkey to eat when your mother has cooked it, or
> > > something?
> >
> > My mother died at age 94 awhile back. I am doubtless old enough to be
> > your grandfather and I have the sort of knowledge gained through education
> > and life experience that a little snot such as yourself can never hope to
> > acquire because you're so busy bragging that you never take the time to
> > listen let alone contemplate.
>
> Hey, guess what? My wife died a while ago too. You know what else? Once you
> have somebody resorting to name-calling, you know that you have won. I had a
> conversation on the phone with a New York lawyer one time and it only took
> about two minutes for him to start swearing. Hey, talk about laugh. He is the
> main reason I called one of my web-pages "This is America" yaknow? I do hope
> he likes it. LMAO

"This is America"
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> > Better to eat a turkey I cook than to have one's goose cooked as you
> > seem to do regularly.
>
> I had some rather juicy pork sausages myself.
>
> > Do you actually like being spanked like this?
>
> Hey, as it says in my sig-line, I'm quite happy and having such fun. You
> kinda have to give people a little rope to play with and then wait a while to
> close the noose, and he who laughs last always laughs the loudest.



Alan

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