Re: Iranian Building Defy All Know Laws Of Physics

In article <11pd0hff79p26bd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, into@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(Skywise) wrote:

<Snipola>

> So on top of being a quack and a wanker, you have something
> against Jews, too?
>
> Brian

Hardly, considering my first two kids are one quarter Jewish. In fact I have
some Jewish friends in New York and London who strongly disagree with both
Israel and Bush.

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/bham022603.cfm

Talk By: Rabbi Ahron Cohen at Birmingham University, England
26th February ?03

My friends, it is an honour to have the opportunity of talking to you today.

I and my colleagues of Neturei Karta attend occasions such as this because we
feel that we have both a religious and humanitarian duty to publicize our
message as much as possible. So I hope and pray that with the Creator?s help my
words and our discussions here today may be correct and true in their content
and conclusions.

As you have already been told, I am an orthodox Jew (that is a Jew who
endeavours to live his life completely in accordance with the Jewish religion).
I am involved in ecclesiastical duties within the Jewish Community and am
particularly involved in educating our youth and in helping them to achieve
healthy and correct attitudes. It is therefore of particular interest to me to
be able to talk to you, a student body, today.

I have been asked to talk to you about Judaism and Zionism. This subject is of
course tremendously relevant in the light of the current situation in Palestine,
where you have - let?s face it - one side, the Zionists (who are also Jews),
wishing to impose a ?sectarian? State over the heads of an indigenous
population, the Palestinians. A confrontation which has resulted in horrific
bloodshed and brutality with no end in sight unless there is a very radical
change.

My qualification to talk on this subject is by virtue of my being one of many
orthodox Jews who absolutely sympathise with the Palestinian cause, and we
protest vehemently against the terrible wrongs being perpetrated against the
Palestinian People by the Zionist illegitimate regime in Palestine.

The spearhead group among us who are involved actively in this matter on a
regular basis are called Neturei Karta, which can be loosely translated as
Guardians of the Faith. We are not a separate party or organisation but
basically a philosophy representative of a large section of orthodox Jewry.

Let me firstly state quite categorically that Judaism and Zionism are
incompatible. They are diametrically opposed.

The question must surely arise in the minds of many of you here today that there
appears to be a paradox. After all everyone knows that Zionists are Jews and
that Zionism is for the benefit of Jews. The Palestinians are the enemies of the
Zionists. How come then that I, a Jew, can sympathise with the Palestinian
cause.

I would like to try to answer this question and to revert to the subject of my
talk - Judaism and Zionism - on two levels, religious belief and
humanitarianism. Bearing in mind that to be humanitarian is also a basic
religious requirement.

Firstly from a Jewish religious belief point of view. One has to take a look at
some aspects of the history of the Jewish people and at their basic belief in
the Al-mighty?s control of our destiny and what the Al-mighty wants of us. All
as set out in our Religious teachings, our Toira, and as taught to us through
the generations by our great religious leaders. Against this we also have to
look at the history of Zionism, how it developed, what are its aims.

Our religion is for us a total way of life. Showing us how to live a life in the
service of the Al-mighty. It affects every aspect of our life from the cradle to
the grave. We are taught that it was revealed to us by Divine Revelation, as
described in the Bible, some three and a half thousand years ago, and that is
when the Jewish People came in to being. All of our religious requirements,
practical and philosophical, are set out in the Torah which comprises the Bible
(the old testament) and a vast code of Oral Teaching handed down to us through
the generations.

As mentioned, our religion is a total way of life covering every aspect of our
life. One area of our religion is that subject to certain conditions is that we
will be given a land, the Holy Land, now known as Palestine, in which to live
and carry out various parts of our service of the Al-mighty.

Now, before I go any further, I wish to point out something which is very basic
to understanding the difference between Judaism and Zionism and that is that the
orthodox Jewish concept of nationhood is very different to the concept of
nationhood held by most peoples. Most peoples understand a nation to be a
specific people living in a specific land. The land is essential for the
identity of the nation. They may or may not have a religion, but the religion is
immaterial to the national identity. The orthodox Jewish concept of nationhood
however, is a specific people with a specific religion. It is the religion that
establishes the national identity. They may or may not have a land, the land is
immaterial to the Jewish national identity.

This is borne out by the fact that the Jewish nation has been without a land for
2000 years, but as long as they retained their religion they retained their
identity.

Now I mentioned earlier that we were given a land but under certain conditions.
The conditions were basically that we had to maintain the highest of moral,
ethical and religious standards. The Jewish People did have the land for
approximately the first one thousand five hundred years of their existence.
However, regretfully, the conditions were not fulfilled to the required degree
and the Jews were exiled from their land. For the last two thousand years or so
the Jewish people have been in a state of exile decreed by the A-lmighty because
they did not maintain the standards expected of them. This state of exile is the
situation that exists right up to the present day. It is a basic part of our
belief to accept willingly the Heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight
against it or to end it by our own hands. To do so would constitute a rebellion
against the wishes of the A-lmighty.

In practical terms, although we have maintained our Jewish identity by virtue of
our attachment to our religion, never the less exile for us means firstly that
Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in which they live and not attempt
to rule over the established indigenous populations of those countries.

Secondly, that we may not attempt to set up a State of our own in Palestine.
This would apply even if the land would be unoccupied and it certainly applies
when, as is the case, there is an existing indigenous population. This
prohibition is a basic part of our teaching and we are forsworn not to
contravene it and we are warned of the dire consequences of doing so.

It follows, therefore, that Jews have no right to rule today in Palestine.

Now let us consider the Zionist movement. This was founded approximately 100
years ago mostly by secular people who were discarding their religion but still
retained what they considered as the stigma of being Jews in exile. They
considered that our state of exile was due to our own subservient attitude -
?the Golus (exile) mentality? - and not by Divine Decree. They wanted to throw
off the constraints of exile and to try and establish a new form of Jewish
identity. Not religion based but land based. It was based on a typical, emotion
driven, secular nationalistic aim, similar to that of most other nations. Their
policy had as its centre pin the aim of setting up a Jewish State in Palestine.
But they were forging a new kind of Jew. In fact not a Jew at all- a Zionist.

This Zionist movement was a complete abandonment of our religious teachings and
faith - in general - and in particular an abandonment of our approach to our
state of exile and our attitude to the peoples among whom we live.

The practical outcome of Zionism in the form of the State known as ?Israel? is
completely alien to Judaism and the Jewish Faith. The very name ?Israel? which
originally meant what are known as the Children of Israel i.e. the Jewish People
was usurped by the Zionists. For this reason many orthodox Jews avoid referring
to the Zionist State by the name ?Israel?.

The ideology of Zionism is not to rely on divine providence but to take the law
into ones own hands and to try to force the outcome in the form of a State. This
is completely contrary to the approach to the matter of exile which our Toira
requires us to adopt, as handed down to us by our great religious teachers.

I have spoken till now from the religious belief point of view. But let us
consider the humanitarian point of view (and to do so is also a religious
requirement as I mentioned earlier).The Zionist ideology was and is to force the
aim of a State irrespective of the cost in life and property to anyone who
stands in the way. The Palestinians stood in the way. We have a fact that in
order to achieve an ill conceived nationalistic ambition, a shocking
contravention of natural justice was committed by the Zionists in setting up an
illegitimate regime in Palestine completely against the wishes of the
established population, the Palestinians, which inevitably had to be based on
loss of life, killing and stealing.

Most Orthodox Jews accept the Neturei Karta view to the extent that they do not
agree in principle to the existence of the Zionist State and would not ?shed a
tear? if it came to an end. There are however a range of opinions as to how to
deal with the fact that for the time being the Zionist State exists. These
opinions range from positive cooperation to pragmatic acceptance to total
opposition in every way. The latter being the Neturei Karta approach.

There was and is however, an additional Zionist phenomenon which confuses the
picture. That is the Religious Zionists. These are people who claim to be
faithful to the Jewish Religion but they have been influenced by the Zionist
secular nationalistic philosophy and have added a new dimension to Judaism -
Zionism, the aim of setting up now and expanding a Jewish state in Palestine.
This they try to fulfil with great fervour. (I call it Judaism-plus) They claim
that this is inherent in the Jewish religion. But the fact is as explained
earlier that this is absolutely contrary to the teachings of our great religious
teachers.

Furthermore, from a humanitarian point of view, their ideology too was and is to
force their aim irrespective of the cost in life and property to anyone who
stands in the way. The Palestinians are standing in the way. This is all the
more shocking as it is done in the name of religion. Whereas in reality there is
a totally contrary requirement of our religion and that is to treat all peoples
with compassion.

To sum up. According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the present Palestinian >
Arab claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist claim is wrong
and criminal. Our attitude to Israel is that the whole concept is flawed and
illegitimate.

We have another problem and that is that the Zionists have made themselves to
appear as the representatives and spokespeople of all Jews thus, with their
actions, arousing animosity against the Jews. Those who harbour this animosity
are accused of anti-Semitism. However, what has to be made abundantly clear is
that Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists cannot speak in the name of Jews. Zionists
may have been born as Jews, but to be a Jew also requires adherence to the
Jewish belief and religion. So what becomes abundantly clear is that opposition
to Zionism and its crimes does not imply hatred of Jews or ?anti-Semitism?. On
the contrary Zionism itself and its deeds are the biggest threat to Jews and
Judaism.

The strife between Arab and Jew in Palestine only began when the first Zionist
pioneers came to Palestine with the express aim of forming a State over the
heads of the indigenous Arab population. That strife has continued until this
very day and has cost and continues to cost thousands and thousands of lives.
The oppression, abuse and murder in Palestine is a tragedy not only for the
Palestinians but for the Jewish people as well. And is in fact part of the dire
consequences of which we are warned if we transgress our religious requirement
not to rebel against our exile.

I wish to add that the connection between Muslims and Jews goes right back into
ancient history. Mostly the relationship was friendly and mutually beneficial.
Historically, the situation frequently was that when Jews were being persecuted
in Europe they found refuge in the various Muslim countries. Our attitude to
Muslims and Arabs can only be one of friendliness and respect.

I would like to finish with the following words. We want to tell the world,
especially our Muslim neighbours, that there is no hatred or animosity between
Jew and Muslim. We wish to live together as friends and neighbours as we have
done mostly over hundreds even thousands of years in all the Arab countries. It
was only the advent of the Zionists and Zionism which upset this age old
relationship.

We consider the Palestinians as the people with the right to govern in
Palestine.

The Zionist State known as ?Israel? is a regime that has no right to exist. Its
continuing existence is the underlying cause of the strife in Palestine. 33. We
pray for a solution to the terrible and tragic impasse that exists. Hopefully
based on results brought about by moral, political and economic pressures
imposed by the nations of the world.

We pray for an end to bloodshed and an end to the suffering of all innocent
people - Jew and non-Jew alike - worldwide.

We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling of the Zionist
regime, which will bring about an end to the suffering of the Palestinian
people. We would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in the holy land
under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the wishes and aspirations of
the Palestinian People.

May we soon merit the time when all mankind will be at peace with each other.

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/bham022603.cfm

And I have taught my kids the things that Rabbi Cohen says.


Alan

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/enigma.html

http://veloceraptor.blogspot.com/
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