Re: Ok, it's fossils...but it's MINE *|:-)

Jonathan wrote:
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Jonathan wrote:


Sometimes I find the 'other side' can be pretty informative
as they like to summarize the shortcomings of the topic.
Is the Vatican up to date? Is the topic of the very first life
on earth still such an open question? And isn't that the
primary question of paleontology?

From the Catholic Encyclopedia...


Palæontology

"According to the theory of the evolutionist all life issued from
several cells, or according to some from a single cell. Of this
cell, of course, no fossilized traces can have been preserved.
Yet according to this theory we should expect the most ancient
strata to be filled with the remains of animals and plants of the
lowest type capable of preservation. This, however, is not the case.

In short, palæontology tells us nothing about the origin of life; the
whole series of organisms, from the simplest protoplasmic masses
to the differentiated forms found in the Cambrian rocks is missing.

If we survey the fossils so far known in historical order, the following
facts are ascertained: The earliest or primary period of the earth is
the era of the Pteridophyta, the ferns, horsetails, and club-mosses;
in the Triassic and Jurassic periods the gymnosperms prevail, and
beginning with the cretaceous period the angiosperms. The history
of the animal kingdom is similar. Of the articulata, only the crustacea
appear in the earliest formations, insects and spiders are not found
until the Upper Carboniferous. The first vertebrates are found in the
Upper Silurian, The first vertebrates living on land appear in the
Carboniferous period; The Triassic also yields the first small
mammals, which, however, do not become important until the
Old Tertiary period, while true birds are already known in the Jurassic.
Man, who appears in the Quaternary, concludes the series.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11410a.htm

Um...if you go back to your website, you will find this info:

"Written by Lukas Waagen. Transcribed by Thomas J. Bress.

The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XI. Published 1911. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, February 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York"

That's almost 100 year old theology. If you're going to try to come up to date, consult Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, at least. Or if he is too radical, try http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Issues/Darwin.html

In any event, the Catholic Church hardly exists in Springfield. When I was in school there, even at Missouri State with 15,000 students, the Presbyterians, Methodists, United Church of Christ, Episcopalians and Catholics had to go together to even fund a modest building for worship services near campus. (And 95% of the students at the center were from St. Louis, Kansas City, and other parts much more urban.)


When I first began looking at all the Mars Opportunity
pics of those hematite rich sperules. My first question
then was, what would be the very first life form, or oldest
fossils, on earth?
Generally thought to be stromatolites, but Bruce has some other oddities
in his book, too.

If those banded iron formations are the result
of microbial deposition, would they be the
oldest fossils/earliest single cell life?
There are things older than the BIFs, though the BIFs are very old indeed.

From looking at Mars, somehow, I'm almost
certain the very first fossils on earth involves
iron, silica and spherical shapes. In some
manner or another.
Silica, yes, because silica is durable. Mostly chert, it seems.
Look around for stromatolites on the Net...they are mostly laminar, not
spherical, though they are rounded, many generally shaped sort of like
broccoli or cauliflower heads.



That's why I think finding life on Mars would be so great.
It might help clear up the details on the progression of
the very first life. When I first started looking at Meridiani
I decided to assume it showed the very first life forms
on Mars. Then tried to interpret what Meridiani would
say how life first started and the initial progression.

And Meridiani tells me that life first started in a low oxygen
sulfate rich shallow water environment. Where the first
microbes converted sulfates into iron, then microbrial
mats and stromatilites. Finally the first two celled
marine sponges and on and on. From warm mineral
rich underground springs, into the oceans then onto
land.

I think you should take some chemistry, Jonathan. You can't convert sulfates to iron, microbial mats or stromatolites.


And I think life starts pretty much the same way everywhere.
So it should be the same way on earth.

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