Re: Warming - Cooling - Climate will change



JimLillie wrote:

Scotty wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Alastair
> <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> <big snip>
>
>> Will,
>>
> As a "denier", I can't let this pass. I don't know anybody who denies
that the
> globe is warming (or even Mars, for that matter). It has been warming
for the
> last 400 years since the last mini ice-age.
>
> What I, and other deniers deny is the Al Gore thesis that it is
CAUSED by CO2
> and that reducing CO2 will reverse the warming.
>
> The warming started 400 years ago, long before the start of the
Industrial
> Revolution. It is debatable that we might have reached a turning
point. The
> warmest year in the last century was 1934, the second warmest was
1998 and it
> has been cooling ever since. The temps for 2007 puts us back to temps
that last
> occurred in the '80s.
>> Cheers, Alastair.

Recently I handled a clipping from Time(?) about 1980. For the previous
3 - 4 decades global temperatures had been creeping down. Glaciers were
advancing, and the Arctic ice cap was growing each year. Scientists are
concerned we may be entering a new ice age.

Historically England has been warm enough to grow grapes for wine. Now?
Historically England has been cold enough the Thames would freeze for
Ice Fairs. Now?
Canadian tundra has tree stumps, the tree line used to be farther North.

I do NOT deny Al Gore is a politician.

Jim Lillie -- engineer

The inclusion of this topic on sci.geo.geology, and the fervent
warming to it has me for one, a-mused. I suppose there's a good
rationale for archaeology, but a time span from Tuesday afternoon to
smokoe on Wednesday morning (geologically speaking) doesn't cut it,
not even for the GST (geologically short timescales)

I suppose the justification is that on the time-line of geological
processes the atmosphere like the mantle can be considered a fluid.
When it's all solid, ... like ice, it's a rock, and rocks as we know
can be considered fluids. I suppose hurricanes are like Earthquakes,
where all this fluid behaviour is happening very quickly. If Stuart
was here he would tell us. He'd have a number up his sleeve. He's
got avalanches of subducting slabs going through trapdoors when the
mantle wind blows (and we shall have snow) ... that just need a
hairline trigger to tip them through the hatch. Which makes me think
that Jonathan just might have the answer to this one, but on this
occasion he seems to be awa' wi' the screaming butterflies. Oriel's
casting aspersions and trying to pick fights, but I'm pleased to see
that Jo retains a modicum of <hic> sobriety and is skeptical about all
of this, citing
Jonathan's inability anyway to do fractions, ...and dropping the
Who's Who of Atmospheric Physics. But Stu's not in there so I think
she's got it wrong. Our Stu's the boy. We'll see, ..when he gets
back from his cruise.
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/rubber.html
Surely there's something in this global heating and cooling can be
explained like ridge pull - slab push. They're all fluids, after
all... But that stupid bugger Findlay, ...what do you make of
him, ..carrying on about Hitler and Nazis and burning the Volk in the
Vaterland.. What's he on about? Dunno, ..but ..Ooops, ..when you
gotta go, ..youo gotta go. And just when it was getting after all
geologically interesting too... with all that talk about fluids... and
avalanches. I'll have to come
back later to see how this thread's getting on. (JP seems to be
stepping out of line though, ..suggesting Jo needs to go on a
cleansing diet. That's not very gentlemanly, JP.)
.

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