Re: Hollow Earth Guffaw


"jonathan" <Home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Carole" <hubbca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Go back and bury your head up your arse.
You've obviously lost the ability to think for yourself and have just
become
some sort of drone who parrots the official line.


Wait just a minute little lady, I'M supposed to be the kook around
here.<g>

I've worked long and hard to get a reputation as the one
with the contrary views. And I'm not going to give it up
that easy to some newbee that casually embraces every
tom-***-and-harry conspiracy theory just for the
sake of being different.

If you want to be taken seriously you have to stop jumping on the
bandwagon of every tired old conspiracy theory that's already
been hashed over and thoroughly dismissed. Instead you should
come up with some original theories which are entirely new
to the audience at hand. Theories you can defend in detail
by a greater knowledge of the facts and science.


Jonathan


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Skip remainder if not into long-winded rants.............


For instance, I claim, and can defend the following theory
in detail with reputable links and solid mathematics.

That /for all/ real world problems there exists /a single/ common
ideal solution. And that single solution, in it's most abstract
form, is commonly called....Love.

That....in fact...the very latest mathematics show clearly that
....Love is the answer.

Or, in slightly less abstract form, the ideal system structure
is found from the dynamic union of opposite extremes.

This is like the chinese system of the middle way....the opposite of
dualism.



Or, in slightly less abstract form, the ideal future for any complex
dynamic system is found at the subcritical/supercritical
boundary between static and chaotic attractor basins.

Yes, the goal isn't the objective but rather the process is the product.
Perfection or completeness is not necessarily a desirable goal, there is
much to be appreciated along the way in accepting things just as they are,
there is beauty in the incomplete and the unfinished. Often the finished
becomes static and rigid.


Or, in slightly less abstract form, self organization or evolution
gets it's initial impetus from a persistent phase transition or
'edge of chaos' state.

Read below for the mathematical proofs of the last statement


http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm

http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm

http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/


These new fields recognize the faults and limitations
inherent in reductionist part property driven science.
Which dominates science today and is responsible
for the ....thousands... of finely graduated disciplines
that produce mounds and mounds of specialist
data so enormous NO ONE PERSON could
ever hope to comprehend the totality.

A mountain of data growing higher ever day and
at an exponential rate. Which means....of course
modern science today takes us FARTHER from
the possibility of understanding the whole
every single day.



So the new fields merely turn the lens around, reverse
the initial frame of reference for deriving fundamental
law by ...beginning...with a holistic or systems approach.
And carrying the frame of reference change throughout.
Which means things like replacing objective with subjective
and equations with simulations and precision with
tendencies or pattern recognition....etc etc.

This new approach also inverses the results, which means
instead of growing farther from the Truth every day from the
enormous complexity of data of reducing to part specifics.
We reverse that and steadily converge upon the whole and
find simplicity and a /single/ answer or discipline instead.

I've taken these very new mathematical ideas
to their very limits. And the math is clear to me.

Love ..is... the answer.

Whether love in the abstract takes the form of a society.
Where the opposites of law and freedom are entangled
so that no one can tell which-is-which, or which of the
two dominates. Where the two opposites become one
is where evolution and creation emerges.

Or whether love in the abstract takes the form of a
market system. Where producers and consumers
are in an unstable equilibrium with each other so that
neither and both decide the future.

Or whether love takes the form of Darwinian evolution
where the static attractor basin of genetics is in a
dynamic union with the chaotic attractor of mutations.

Or a cloud, whether neither condensation or evaporation
(static or chaotic) wins, and new emergent properties
appear from the whole which are not predictable from
the parts.

They are all the same thing, the same mathematical
relationship defines .....all visible order...in the
universe. A mathematical relationship we've all
known all along, but were afraid to say outside
of religious circles.

Love is the answer.

Next time you have a problem you wish to solve, try it out.
Define the opposite extremes of your system(problem(\)
at hand. Then find where the two are one, where one
can't tell which is the deciding behavior.

A very simple example of this is a ....diet...for instance.
What are the two opposite extremes typically used
for losing weight? The answer is food intake and
exercise of course. So the ideal diet would be.....?

The answer is so simple, as is the method.

You only have to place this idea in the complete
abstract to see it applied everywhere. And see for
yourself the universal beauty and simplicity of
our reality.


At last, science and religion see things the same way.

Yes, I've often thought that science and religion should indestinguishable
....they both deal with the laws of being.

Here is a quote from Etidorpha, by the man who did it, journey into the
earth.

"Misguided men will torture science by refuting facts with theories; but a
fact is no less a fact when science opposes."

" In studying any branch of science men begin and end with an unknown. The
chemist accepts as data such conditions of matter as he finds about him, and
connects ponderable matter with the displays of energy that have impressed
his senses, building therefrom a span of theoretical science, but he can not
formulate as yet an explanation regarding the origin or the end of either
mind, matter, or energy. The piers supporting his fabric stand in a profound
invisible gulf, into which even his imagination can not look to form a
theory concerning basic formations- cornerstones.

" The geologist, in a like manner, grasps feebly the lessons left in the
superficial fragments of earth strata, impressions that remain to bear
imperfect record of a few of the disturbances that have affected the earth's
crust, and he endeavours to formulate a story of the world's life, but he is
neither able to antedate the records shown by the meagre testimony at his
command, scraps of a leaf out of God's great book of history, nor to
anticipate coming events. The birth, as well as the death, of this planet is
beyond his page.

" The astronomer directs his telescope to the heavens, records the position
of the planets, and hopes to discover the influences worlds exert upon one
another. He explores space to obtain data to enable him to delineate a map
of the visible solar universe, but the instruments he has at command are so
imperfect, and mind is so feeble that, like mockery seems his attempt to
study behind the facts connected with the motions and conditions of the
nearest heavenly bodies, and he can not offer an explanation of the
beginning or cessation of their movements. He can neither account for their
existence, nor foretell their end."

" Are you not mistaken?" I interrupted; " does not the astronomer foretell
eclipses, and calculate the orbits of the planets, and has he not verified
predictions concerning their several motions?"

" Yes; but this is simply a study of passing events. The astronomer is no
more capable of grasping an idea that reaches into an explanation of the
origin of motion, than the chemist or physicist, from exact scientific data,
can account for the creation of matter. Give him any amount of material at
rest, and he can not conceive of any method by which motion can disturb any
part of it, unless such motion be mass motion communicated from without, or
molecular motion, already existing within. He accounts for the phases of
present motion in heavenly bodies, not for the primal cause of the actual
movements or intrinsic properties they possess. He can neither originate a
theory that will permit of motion creating itself, and imparting itself to
quiescent matter, nor imagine how an atom of quiescent matter can be moved,
unless motion from without be communicated thereto. The astronomer, I
assert, can neither from any data at his command postulate nor prove the
beginning nor the end of the reverberating motion that exists in his solar
system, which is itself the fragment of a system that is circulating and
revolving in and about itself, and in which, since the birth of man, the
universe he knows has not passed the first milestone in the road that
universe is travelling in space immensity.

" The mathematician starts a line from an imaginary point that he informs us
exists theoretically without occupying any space, which is a contradictions
of terms according to his human acceptation of knowledge derived from
scientific experiment, if science is based on verified facts. He assumes
that straight lines exist, which is a necessity for his calculation; but
such a line he has never made. Even the beam of sunshine, radiating through
a clear atmosphere or a cloud bank, widens and contracts again as it
progresses through the various mediums of air and vapour currents, and if it
is ever spreading and deflecting can it be straight? He begins his study in
the unknown, it ends with the unknowable.

" The biologist can conceive of no rational, scientific beginning to life of
plant or animal, and men of science must admit the fact. Whenever we turn
our attention to nature's laws and nature's substance, we find. man
surrounded by the infinity that obscures the origin and covers the end. But
perseverance, study of nature's forces, and comparison of the past with the
present, will yet clarify human knowledge and make plain much of this
seemingly mysterious, but never will man reach the beginning or the end. The
course of human education, to this day, has been mostly materialistic,
although, together with the study of matter, there has been more or less
attention given to its moving spirit. Newton was the dividing light in
scientific thought; he stepped between the reasonings of the past and the
provings of the present, and introduced problems that gave birth to a new
scientific tendency, a change from the study of matter from the material
side to that of force and matter, but his thought has since been carried out
in a mode too realistic by far. The study of material bodies has given way,
it is true, in a few cases to the study of the spirit of matter, and
evolution is beginning to teach men that matter is crude. As a result,
thought will in its sequence yet show that modifications of energy
expression are paramount. This work is not lost, however, for the
consideration of the nature of sensible material, is preliminary and
necessary to progression ( as the life of the savage prepares the way for
that of the cultivated student ), and is a meagre and primitive child's
effort, compared with the richness of the study in unseen energy expressions
that are linked with matter, of which men will yet learn."


thanks for the insights.

carole
www.conspiracee.com





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