Re: Why scientists should not set science policy
From: Ian St. John (istjohn_at_noemail.ca)
Date: 07/10/04
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:33:59 -0400
Vote for Baradnik...or even Nader,...anyone but Shrub OR Kerry wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jul 04 15:20:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> wrote:
>
>>> You yourself point
>>> out the centrality of "falsifiable" statements. I'm not sure why
>>> you keep missing the point of it not being desirable to make
>>> policies which dictate people's lives by force, based on
>>> conclusions which may well be proven wrong 5 years from now.
>>
>> By force? What are you, a far-right extremist?
>
>
> Are you dense? Or just pathetically attempting to muddy the water?
Sounds like you found a mirror...
>
> READ the above. -I- am not advocating force. I am OBJECTING to force
> being used against me based on so-called "science" which may be
> purposely falsified or simply not known with good certainty yet.
Rightwing definition of 'force': Anything that blocks my doing what I want.
Rightwing definition of 'good government'. Any social structure that gives
me what I want from the toiling masses without personal risk.
>
> Any time something gets turned into gov-policy, that IS force. You
> can call it anything you like, but when gov-goons with guns come out
> to your property and FORCE you to do or not do something, that's
> FORCE.
No. That is an example (usually) of insaniity. The refusal to accept the
world as it is and good government so as to force others to restrain you is
a good example of why we still need psychiatric care facilities. Force is
generally reserved only for the criminal and the insane, one because they
will not accept reality, the other because they do not accept reality.
There are exceptions of course in illegal or statis govenments but those
which actually deserve a rebellion and civil war are rare.
>
>
>>
>> No, you're totally UNfamiliar with what science is. Take it from a
>> scientist, pal.
>>
>
> You're a scientist?
Yes. Lloyd is. No question as he has published his credentials.
> Bullshit. You're a false scientist. Proven by
> the following, quoted from your other post in this thread:
Lacking in an abiltiy to judge you make claims which are not supported.
>
>>> Don't need a special hat dude. All you have to do is open your eyes
>>> and drink in the REALITY all around you. This country, this
>>> society, is a -disaster-.
>
>> Thank Bush for that.
>
> Now that's pure bullshit.
No. Maybe premature as it is only a forming disaster. The damage should be
complete by 2010.. from international warfare to economic policy to the
envrionment to jobs ( mostly created in India or China...)
http://www.ctj.org/html/whopay.htm
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/def0104.pdf
http://www.tidepool.org/original_content.cfm?articleid=107990
> A true scientist, a person who sticks to
> facts, would never claim that our current condition, the result of
> decades and decades of gov scams, is solely the result of the past 3
> years.
It is surprising how much damage one idiot can do, yes. Hitler is the only
other example of rapid decline to a fascist state.
> Since you claim such, you're dishonest; thus, not a true
> scientist. You're just another ideology-hack with some technical
> background.
Still pulling it warm and steaming directly from your anus?
>
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