Re: Clueless Media Strikes Again
From: High Sierra (Please.reply.to.NG.only_at_isp.com)
Date: 11/28/04
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:05:43 -0400
Shy One wrote:
> I am late to this discussion but there are several things in the offing via
> insurance companies. One company is intending to hook a device to the car's
> computer to record mileage, speed, time of day driving, etc. I don't know
> the nature of the device but the incentive is a reduction in the rate you
> would pay to insure your car.
>
> Progressive Casualty Ins calls theirs TripSense and it records all driving
> information. At the end of the term of your policy you download the
> information and they then compute your discount, if any.
> After plugging the device into the OBDII port of your car's computer it
> records start time and end time of each trip, duration, number of
> "aggressive braking" events during each trip, number of "aggressive
> acceleration" events during each trip, miles drive, speed in 10 second
> intervals, distance. It also records date and time of any connections and
> disconnections of the device from the OBDII port so you can't sneak any
> unrecorded trips in.
>
> Progressive has a second rating method called AutoGraph. This one uses a
> "black box" that is a GPS and cellular tower detection facility and it is
> supposed to base discounts on all of the same features that their TripSense
> system does but also by WHERE you drive. If you drive through neighborhoods
> they consider to be "bad" or intersections they deem more dangerous than
> normal then your discount will be reduced and you may even end up paying
> more than the regular insurance rate. Same for when you are driving through
> these neighborhoods and whether you stop in them for any length of time (if
> you decide to visit a bar or even a relative's home that happens to be
> located in what they deem a dangerous neighborhood). So you see, that it
> isn't necessary for GPS satellites to detect anything since the data routing
> is the opposite of that. GPS sends signal, black box picks it up and either
> sends data to cellular tower or marries data with triangulation from
> multiple cellular towers to be broadcast at a later time. Either way, they
> will know what you are doing with your vehicle and when and where you are
> doing it.
>
> Quartix has a vehicle tracking system currently available in the UK and it
> may spread to the rest of the world.
> Fireman's Fund Insurance has a license to use Progressive's "black box"
> hardware and software.
> Georgia Institute of Technology is testing a similar system to Progressive's
> for feasibility. Their test should have wrapped up last month and results
> should be published any time now.
>
> The bottom line is that if an entity like the state of California, Ohio (who
> was also studying this) or Georgia were to get on board with Progressive and
> Fireman's Fund, this could become a reality. Coupled with OnStar and VGuard
> (which uses both cellular and GPS in its service) there would be plenty of
> suppliers of equipment and enough drivers that would jump at the insurance
> premium discounts to make this really happen.
>
> So this is not an Urban Legend, it is a soon to be Urban Nightmare where big
> brother will be able to charge for roads based upon usage, making ALL roads
> into toll roads. Collecting tickets by determining how long you parked in a
> no parking zone without having to place people on the street to catch you.
> We already have cameras to catch people running red lights, but if coupled
> with this system that will become obsolete since there is a fellow working
> on a DGPS system (Determinant GPS - more accurate that standard GPS systems)
> coupled with traffic signals that would capture people running red lights
> without the need for cameras. Add to this the fact that if the government
> gets your GPS data then you will get speeding tickets in the mail...
>
> Now I may seem paranoid, but then again, when has the government ever done
> anything that was of benefit to us and not to them. With every state and
> municipality looking for revenue in every place possible, what do you think
> will happen if they do implement this monstrosity?
>
> Dale
>
>
> "Peter" <prathman@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:PeednbwSKOD74gbcRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Jack Yeazel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Has anybody checked all this with Urban Legends???!!!
>>>
>>
>>That the new DMV director supports the idea doesn't seem
>>to be in doubt with many such reports in the local papers,
>>TV news, etc. E.g.:
>>http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/news/111604_nw_gas_tax.html
>>
>>The news last night included interviews with selected
>>drivers and most were opposed with the predictable
>>exception of a few drivers of Hummers and similar
>>vehicles who would come out financially ahead with
>>this approach.
>>
>>
>>>Stan Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in
>>>>news:789kp0dpth6bj99993k0arh16blhfouuc3@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gee, I didn't know that GPS satellites were able to *receive* signals
>>>>
>>>>>from - and *follow* - private automobiles...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday appointed a new
>>>>>Department of Motor Vehicles director who has advocated taxing
>>>>>motorists for every mile they drive — by placing tracking devices in
>>>>>their cars.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like it's not just the media who are clueless. Arnold's DMV czar
>>>>appears to also be suffering from acute CDD.
>>
>>
>
>
Don't you think the subject of this thread is redundant. Aren't 'clueless' &
'media' synonyms?
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