Re: $B@:NO(B

From: necoandjeff (spam_at_schrepfer.com)
Date: 07/07/04 

Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 06:07:12 GMT

"Kevin Wayne Williams" <kww.nihongo@verizon.nut> wrote in message
news:10en0sd9stia6ff@news.supernews.com...
> jim_breen@idontreadhotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> dixit:
> >
> >>jim_breen@idontreadhotmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>necoandjeff <spam@schrepfer.com> dixit:
> >>>
> >>>>Generally, combining a verb and a noun as you had in mind would only
involve
> >>>>the base of the verb (just like tabemono and kaimono.)
> >>>
> >>>Generally yes, but for $B$+$$$b$N(B you have $BGcJ*(B and $BGc$$J*(B. Dictionaries
> >>>are divided on the form they give (Daijirin has $BGc(B($B$$(B)$BJ*(B). According
> >>>to Google $BGc$$J*(B leads $BGcJ*(B by about 2:1.
> >
> >
> >>I don't understand the "Generally yes, but" part. Were you going to
> >>present an exception to that rule?
> >
> >
> > Well, isn't $B$+$$$b$N(B an exception? Or is $BGc$$(B/$B$+$$(B the base of
> > $BGc$&(B?
> >
> > I'd have formulated Jeff's rule as the "$B$^$9(B stem of the verb"
> > rather than the "base of the verb", but then I'm far behind Jeff
> > in Japanese skills. I just wanted to warn Konrad off constructing
> > things like $B@vJ*(B/$B$"$i$b$N(B on the assumption that $B@v(B/$B$"$i(B was the
> > base of $B@v$&(B.
>
> In this case, I think Jeff just expressed himself a little sloppily. "$B$^(B
> $B$9(B stem of the verb" is certainly the normal case, and $BGcJ*(B and $BGc$$J*(B
> are both expressions of that rule, just a little bit of irregular
> orthography.

I guess that's what I meant. Is this really referred to as the "masu stem?"
Why tie it just to masu? There must be some generic way to refer to this
form (even if "base" isn't quite it.)

Jeff

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