Re: Jorden at MIT

From: Cindy (cindyduels_at_att.net)
Date: 09/12/04 

Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:16 GMT

Jed Rothwell wrote:

> Kevin Wayne Williams write:
>
>
>>3) Screwing around with alternate orthography won't help you learn to
>
> read.
>
> Yes, it will. It helps you master the language first, before you tackle the
> writing. Why do you think children learn to read kana only text before going
> on to Kanji? That is an alternate orthography. Are you saying that does not
> help them learn to read? It helps because you learn one thing at a time,
> rather than trying to grasp two independent, unrelated systems each with its
> own set of complex and arbitrary rules.
>
> Romaji helps native speakers too,

And it will lead you to make fatal mistakes so that you will be
snickered at by Japanese speakers. They will talk about your stupid
mistakes behind your back. Some may get angry at you for your mistakes
because mis-spelled romaji words could've meant something else that
cause a misunderstanding.

> again because it separates complexity of
> the language and vocabulary from the complexity of the orthography. Japanese
> native speaker children who learn to read and write with romaji for about 4
> years, and read thousands of books, then go on to learn Kanji much faster
> and more accurately than children educated by the traditional method.
> Japanese children who never learn Kanji at all (because they are blind) have
> an even greater advantage over the general population. Every serious test
> of Kanji in the real world, with significant numbers of real native
> speakers, has shown conclusively that they are inferior to Romaji or kana
> with spaces. Kanji impede learning and reduce overall educational
> attainments. They help to some extent, in some ways, but they hurt more than
> they help. Assertions to the contrary are based on mythology, ignorance, and
> wishful thinking.

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