Re: successful language learners -- the little details
From: Cindy (cindyduels_at_att.net)
Date: 10/08/04
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Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:55:17 GMT
Justin Wilson wrote:
> Hi again everyone:
>
> I was very pleased to hear some of your suggestions as far as the
> necessity of being social and pursuing Japanese friends without a
> terribly strong interest in English, taping tv dramas etc.. While that
> is all fine and dandy, I'd like at this point -- if you'all don't mind
> -- to ask you to share some specific details of what you think the
> best attack plan for the language is... I'll give a summary of some of
> the ideas I have. Please critique it, as well as telling me what you
> did do and were pleased with the results, or what you would have done
> differently in retrospect.
>
> My goal is to reach the highest proficiency level possible in 2
> semesters time in Japan, while not feeling miserable and enjoying
> myself at least a good part of my time here.
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> Here are my thoughts/plan of action:
>
> Vocabulary: Before I waste my time randomly picking words out of books
> that may very well be completely obscure, it is essential that I learn
> all of the high-frequency words that can pay dividends every single
> day. (ie, understanding a word that will occur 10 times in a short
> conversation, instead of one that may occur once, will improve my
> listening comprehension ten times faster for an equal investment in
> study time).
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> I have the very lovely Oxford Starter Japanese dictionary. One of the
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> nicest things about it, as opposed to using EDICT, is that it lists
> but 1 or 2 essential meanings for a word. That is good because I won't
> be so tempted to put all those extraneous ones into my learning
> software, and thereby make the memorization process extremely tedious!
>
> From my estimates, the Japanese->English half of the dictionary
> contains in the neighborhood of ~5,000 words. My experience using
> Oxford Starters for other languages tells me that nearly every single
> one of those words is essential and extremely useful. So my plan is to
> add in the neighborhood of 20-50 words from the dictionary into
> Supermemo per day until I have learned'em all.
>
> In the meantime, I carry a pad in my back pocket at all times.
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When I
> go out to eat, go shopping, etc.. every time I see a sign that seems
> important etc.. that has a word I don't know, I jot it down. I try to
> write a minimum of 10 per day.
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After I get home and look these up, I
> will add the most useful ones into Supermemo. As for the ones that
> don't seem so important, I may just append a definition to them on my
> pad, and casually review them later. (I'm considering writing these
> with a red pen and then using the red/green clear plastic testers when
> reviewing. Good idea ne ?)
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> After I finish with the Oxford, I intend to start with the JLPT 4 list
> and make sure there isn't anything I have missed. Then the JLPT 3,
> then the JLPT 2, and finally the JLPT 1 list. I would guess that my
> vocabulary is around ~1,500 words at this point. I hope that I can
> finish the JLPT 1 list within 4 month's from now, though that may be a
> tad bit optimistic.
>
> After that, I sincerely HOPE that it will be possible for me to simply
> pick-up a book and only have to look up 4-5 words per page. In that
> case, I'll save everything I look up to a list -- and periodically
> parse for dups. Any dups I will then immediately add into Supermemo.
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> Overall, I expect that I will need to spend in the neighborhood of 3-4
> hours/day studying vocabulary -- drilling with Supermemo, and looking
> things up that I have written on my pad.
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> I read a webpage the other day that suggests if you have the
> opportunity to learn 10 nouns or 1 verb, learn the verb. Does anyone
> have any strong opinions about such an idea ?
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> Grammar: I don't have any real specific plans for this. I've got a
> decent grounding, having studied Yookoso 1 & 2. I've got a few
> supplementary books on verbs, adjectives/adverbs, and sentences
> structures. I'll read through these a bit, though by my estimations
> the most important thing for my grammar will be massive input --
> hearing native speakers conversations. Once my level is high enough
> (though it is a lofty goal I admit), reading books ought to do wonders
> for my ability to construct more complex, yet completely grammatically
> accurate sentences.
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> I'm going to be taking Japanese classes 5-days/week for about
> 3-hours/day at the university here, so I think my in class time ought
> to provide sufficient opportunities to have any huge grammatical
> blunders corrected by the teacher, or otherwise NOTICED.
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> Speaking: Since I'm not the most socially adept person, this isn't
> something I can specifically plan out. I'm going to make use of the
> opportunities I can find. In a worst case scenario, I'm sure I can
> find a language exchange partner to speak one hour of Japanese with me
> for every hour of English I speak with him.
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> Time Utilization: When I studied in China I did far less studying than
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> I should have, were I to reach the proficiency levels I wanted to
> reach. Even knowing this, I'm still not sure exactly how I should
> divide my time up between studying vocabulary, being in class for a
> guaranteed 3-hours/day, watching TV dramas for listening practice, and
> holding actual conversations. Since my biggest hurdle to understanding
> at the beginning is very likely to be my small vocabulary more than
> anything else, I think it is prudent to initially spend massive
> amounts of time building my vocabulary up. I think it is much easier
> to have it in the back of my mind and "activate" it after the fact.
> (Ie, the first few times I pick it out in a conversation it may take a
> few seconds before it kicks in, but that's far better than not kicking
> in at all!)
>
> Well, what do YOU think !? =)
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