Re: Looking for VI-VT word pair list, and VI-VT Rules

jim_breen_at_hotmail.com
Date: 03/10/05 

Date: 10 Mar 2005 09:53:19 GMT

Bart Mathias <mathias@hawaii.edu> dixit:
>jim_breen@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Aren't $B7R$2$k(B and $B7R$0(B both transitive verbs meaning much the same
>> thing?

>It just occurred to me that I don't even know a verb $B$D$J$2$k(B yet,
>except as the potential of $B7R$0(B.

GG5 says:
$B$D$J$2$k!Z7R$2$k![(B
   = $B$D$J$0(B

and $B9-<-1q(B says:
$B$D$J!&$2$k!Z7R$2$k![(B
        [$BB>2<0l(B] [$BJ8(B]$B$D$J!&$0(B($B2<Fs(B)
        $B@Z$l!"$^$?$ON%$l$F$$$k$b$N$rB3$19g$;$k!#$D$J$0!#(B

>(And on my first skim I failed to
>recognize that you switched vt from right to left.)

That follows what Takasugi did. I am rather dubious about his rules,
or more to the point, whether they are much use. Maybe I'll make them
all Transitive - Intransitive, which would be easier to read.

>You did indeed make some of the improvements I had in mind (such as not
>equating $B4K$`(B and $B5v$9(B! Not to say the $B$f$k(B part can't possibly be the
>same; it shows up in $B$f$k$d$+(B, etc., as well).

Instead I have $B4K$`(B/$B4K$a$k(B.

>And you didn't propose
>$B=P$k!?=P$9(B as -0/-as, hurray!

!! But they are in the "it ends with $B$9(B" table.

>Probably about all I would do that you haven't is avoid cramming so much
>into one table like where the transitives "all end in $B$9(B." It seems to
>me there is enough regularity in (pardon my romaji) -u/-asu, -eru/-asu,
>-iru/-osu, -ru/-su, -reru/-su, to set them up in their own smaller
>tables. That is, I'd (as I did once as a graduate student) put into any
>one table only things that fit exactly. If I had a $B?2$k!??2$+$9(B left
>over..? $B$5$"(B.

>I don't think either Mr.-"all-verbs-ending-in-su-are transitive" or you
>handle $BIz$9!?Iz$;$k(B, or else I didn't search right.

Yes, not there. Not in the BB list either. I'll add them.

It's going to be about 350 pairs. A lot. 

-- 
Jim Breen        http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/
Computer Science & Software Engineering,
Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia 
$B%8%`!&%V%j!<%s(B@$B%b%J%7%eBg3X(B

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