Re: Is the bank closed already or closed still?

From: necoandjeff (spam_at_schrepfer.com)
Date: 03/13/05 

Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:12:48 GMT

Joshua A. Reyer wrote:
> Konrad Den Ende wrote:
>> Regard the following sentence, please.
>>
>> 銀行がもう閉まっています。
>>
>> Would you say that
>>
>> a) the bank has closed already (as in: Konrad runs up to
>> the door, all sweaty, red in the face and spreading
>> horror among people around by his swearing and
>> uninterpretable babbling in a strange language nobody
>> except a few Sweeds comprehend),
>>
>> b) the bank is still closed (as in: the bum sleeping outside
>> is in fact the above mentioned Konrad that stubbornly
>> refused to leave the site and choosed to rather camp
>> there than get back home with no arrend accomplished),
>>
>> c) any of the above (as in: the language of Japan likes to
>> be depending on the context, so we have to discover it's
>> properties by inquiring some of the horrified people who
>> recently flew the sceen near the bank),
>>
>> d) none of the above (as in: the language of Japan likes
>> to put up some nasty and confusing exceptions to
>> complicate the poor Konrads life despite his troubles in
>> the financial sector).
>>
>>
>
> I like mostly c), with a bit of b) thrown in.

In what context would you consider the sentence above to convey "still
closed"?

> The sentence, to me, seems likely in this kind of exchange.
>
> Josh and Konrad are out in Ikebukuro...
>
> Josh (checks wallet): しまった、キャッシュがない。
>
> Konrad: 銀行でおろせば？
>
> Josh: そうだね。(checks watch) あっ、銀行はもう閉まってるだろ！

Isn't that "already"? It certainly isn't "still"...

> Whereas, in the a) example, I think:
>
> くそ！銀行がもう閉まった！ might be more appropriate, with 閉まっている
> as a viable alternative.

So where is the "still" sense?

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