Re: more intransitive verb business (Jim Breen)


"Curt Fischer" <tentrillion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:3bos5rF6k0p70U1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Group,

This post is for people interested in discussing the accuracy of the
list at http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ti_list.html .  Perhaps
people like Jim Breen.  Or others.

I had a look at the list, but it seems to need heavy editing. A lot of the meanings of the verbs given aren't related to the intransitive or transitive verb itself.

Some of the verbs listed as intransitive still take direct objects
marked with を.  It might be misleading to call them intransitive,
although they (with one possible exception) all have "more transitive"
relatives that it makes sense to pair them with.  Examples, with
sentences from the Tanaka corpus and/or Google:

預かる
この鍵を預かってくれ。

That entry's wrong, 預ける・預かる are not a transitive / intransitive pair, they're both transitive verbs. Complain to Jim Breen about this one. There was a post from Tad Perry to sci.lang.japan about this a few years ago (1994 to be exact).

授かる
そのピアニストは非凡な才能を授かっている。

合う
角膜の形によって、外から入ってきた光が網膜にどのように焦点を合うかが決ま
ります。

One thing to be careful of is that "を" has two uses, one is an object marker, but the other one is used to mean (go) down (a road)/through (a tunnel) etc. Could this を be like 道を通る?

Also, are the below verb pairs really related etymologically?

和える / 合う

和え is used a lot in cooking. I haven't heard the verb "aeru" used much on its own.

Minor quibble: why does the intransitive column switch from being on the
right to the left, and then go back again?


Complain to Jim Breen.

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