Re: WWWJDIC hitotabi vs. ichido
- From: jwb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:15:34 GMT
Paul Blay <ranma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> dixit:
>I note that the EDICT entry for hitotabi is the same as ichido.
>一度 【いちど(P); ひとたび】 (n-adv) once; one time; on one occasion
Yep.
>and that all the examples are lumped together.
>http://ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1Q%B0%EC%C5%D9_0__
Well, yes, since the examples are index off the 一度. It's no
use discrimination between 一度/いちど and 一度/ひとたび when
they point at the same entry.
>I have the impression that they are quite distinct in usage - which
>seems to be somewhat backed up by 大辞林
>http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=%B0%EC%C5%D9&kind=jn&mode=0&base=1&row=0
>http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=%B0%EC%C5%D9&kind=jn&mode=0&base=1&row=2
Funny. I read them as saying pretty much the same thing in
slightly different words. If you are referring to 一度/ひとたび
also meaning "temporarily; for a moment", I'd agree it is missing.
In the GG5 the entry for 一度/ひとたび simply points to 一度/いちど. It also
points to 一旦/いったん
In 広辞苑, the first explanation for 一度/ひとたび says
"いちど。いっぺん。" and the first explanation for 一度/いちど
says "ひとたび。いっぺん。一回。"
I'll add the "temporarily; for a moment" sense and tie it to the
ひとたび reading. They'll stay in the one entry, because of the
overlap with the "once" sense.
I see in the Tanaka corpus, all the instances of "ひとたび"
mean "once". I also looked at about 50 sentences with
一度 and they all seem to mean "once". If you see any where it
means ""temporarily; for a moment", let me know.
>Also would it be fair to say that ひとたび is usually kana and that
>the examples with 一度 are probably いちど ?
Possibly, BIANANS. There's no useful way of testing this.
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Jim Breen http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/
Clayton School of Information Technology,
Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia
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