Re: EDICT : nokemono (merge); nokemono ni suru

Paul Blay wrote:
> Bart Mathias wrote, but I had to go to Google for ...
>
>>> WWWJDIC already has an example for 除け者にする みんなで私をのけ者に
>>> した。 I was left out in the cold by everyone.
>>
>>
>> An interesting sentence. I wonder exactly what the みんなで part
>> means, and who did it?

> From a Japanese grammar point of view I shouldn't even try but 駄目押し
> として...
>
> Would the 'original' be みんながみんなで私をのけ者にした。
> and not being able to have みんなでが・・・ it was ellipsed.

Surely something like that. I deleted the message within 20 seconds of
posting it, because the thought came to me that it was very much like 三
人でいく and the like. [やつらは]みんなで私をのけ者にした "They all
together as a group left me out in the cold"とか.

> I've probably thorougly missed the point. ^^v

No, but you sure missed the "h"!

> (Hmm, I thought you could say "みんなで嫌った" but Google doesn't like
> it ...)

For one thing, I bet (again without googling) 嫌った isn't all that much
more common than 好いた (which canna happily provided).

> Talking about interesting sentences in WWWJDIC ...
>
> 君は健康のだめに煙草を止めた方がいい。
> You had better give up smoking for your health.

You mean the English version sounds sort of suicidal?

Bart
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