Re: does anyone here also know Korean or have Korean friends?

Ray wrote:
Bart Mathias wrote:

chance wrote:

"Ray" <raymondaliasapollyon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote

Are you a native speaker of Korean or Japanese?

I am a native speaker of Korean.

First of all, I want to pave the way for my question by introducing a
fact about English reflexives:
Consider the following:

John hated himself, and so did Tom.

Here, the person who Tom hated could only be Tom himself.


How about the Korean caki in sentences like the above? Must caki refer
to "Tom" in Korean too?

Yes.

My second question concerns the Korean equivalent of the following
sentence:

John knew that Mary disliked CAKI, and so did Tom.

Here, I've been told that caki can refer to "John", across one clause,
so John knew that Mary disliked John.

That's right.

The 2nd half of the sentence would be "restored" as "Tom [also] knew
that Mary disliked CAKI". My question is what this CAKI could refer to.
John or only Tom?

'chagi' refers to only Tom.

Pardon me for being a little apprehensive. I'm not sure that the second
clause can really be "restored" that way.

I don't know how close to Korean this is, but the sentence in question
should be something like this:

John-un Mary-ka caki-lul miwehanun kes-ul alko, Tom-to ku kes-ul alassta.

What does the 2nd conjunct mean?

"Tom-too that thing/fact-OBJ knew."

Another way of doing it would probably leave the "ku kes-ul" out, namely

.... Tom-to alassta. = "Tom knew [it] too."

Does this indeed mean that Tom knew Mary didn't like him=Tom?

I wish that Chance had answered this. To me (I was a USAF "Korean Language Specialist" back in the mid-50s, but that doesn't mean I ever knew any Korean language), either version is quite like the English,

John knew that Mary disliked him, and so did Tom.

which I, very possibly in my ignorance, cannot take as Tom knowing that Mary dislikes *him*. I don't see any way to imply "caki" in the second conjunct.

So come one, Chance, tell us: who does Tom know Mary dislikes?

Bart
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