Kanji, Katakana, and Hiragana are different LANGUAGES.



Hello, this was a post which I started a thread for in the group
sci.lang.
Apparently, a lot of people disagree with me on this.
However, I am a LOT more adept at Japanese than the people of
sci.lang, so I naturally had to move here.
I hope there are some bilingual Japanese citizens who can comment on
this.
With regard to context, I just want to say that everything I've
written is pretty self-explanatory.
I have already broken down a bunch of kanji sequences for the other
group to prove my point.
Now, I know you guys are Japanese, and so you will take this post very
seriously and that is good.
However, please realize I am looking so DEEP into Japanese that the
term "Japanese" is not applicable to much of any argument concerning
this.
This is because my aim is to convince society (or at least
sci.lang.japan) of the following:

Kanji, Katakana, and Hiragana are different LANGUAGES.
If you want to argue with me on this, do it on THIS THREAD.
However, PLEASE use your own experience for examples when posting.
Consider the fact I am quite adept at reading/translating languages of
people I have never met and places I have never gone to, I am aware of
this at quite an instinctive level. I would rather not people use
citings of literature with regard to something I have had in my bones
for years. I'm sure computer programmers would feel the same way about
people running around saying "C is not a language."

Generally kanji is written Chinese. Back in the olden days, the
Chinese and Japanese did "business" and a lot of voyages were condoned
by the Emperor of Japan to travel to China and learn about their
culture.
The first communication was from the Emperor of Japan to the Emperor
of China. It was a scroll that said "From the land of the rising sun
to the land of the setting sun." Of course the good old Japanese had
to show the Chinese up somehow ;)
One of the "traded goods" from China to Japan was Chinese written
language, which translates today in Japan to kanji.

Kanji is more pictographic than hiragana, and katakana, which are
phonetic languages. People may argue that "Japanese" is the language,
however if one is adept at speaking Japanese, they will know that in
many cases hiragana, katakana, and kanji terms are used independently
of each other. It is not always required to say "watashi wa gakko e
ikimasu." Many times Japanese will say quickly "Iku" which is an
inifinite meaning "to go" and is also a lonely kanji, all by itself.

Katakana is used as an independent language basically in manga. One
could even argue that it is a pictographic language of manga, but
considering the arguments of the sci.lang community this would get the
word "twat" posted around and we can't have that.

Hiragana is used quite considerably in ancient Japanese scrolls. In
today's modern Japanese, where it is easy for computers and printing
presses to rattle off kanji, many Japanese newspapers and books are
obviously loaded with kanji. However, in the old days (I'm talking
Tale of Genji era or The Pillow Book era) when scrolls were written,
it is plain as the eye can see that there are a lot of hiragana only
sentences, and even hiragana only paragraphs. Hiragana, when analyzing
things down more acutely than a broad term like "Japanese," is its own
language. Don't tell me to look up LANGUAGE in the dictionary, I
*LIVE* language.

Now, someone asked me to give examples of pictographic kanji or why
kanji is pictographic, because they just plain have bad eyes.
I'm only going to give a quick bit of info on this because if anyone
can't see that, and they are posting on sci.lang, that is pretty low
on the evolution food chain.
Example of pictographic kanji are EKI (japanese pronounciation), like
in TOKYO EKI (Tokyo station.)
The four ticks on the kanji represent the four legs of a horse (like a
horse pulling into the station.)
Also, YASUMU, which is an infinite meaning "to rest." The left symbol
is a Chinese radical which implies something to do with a person is
communicated. It is actually clear to see the two legs of the person
in the left portion of YASUMU. The symbol on the right is similar to
the kanji for tree, and so the two symbols together represent a person
resting up against a tree.
Pretty cool huh?
I might as well break down NIKUTAIKANKEI for sci.lang as well, which
is the KANJI SEQUENCE FOR SEX (!)
NIKU is meat. One of the other portions of the sequence is the kanji
for threading, like in sewing. The idea is that a man penetrates a
woman like a sewing needle penetrating meat, (or more specifically
beef.)
(I can already see you plotting against me on that one, start a new
thread if you're going to insult.)

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