Re: Learning a language
From: LEE Sau Dan (danlee_at_informatik.uni-freiburg.de)
Date: 06/25/04
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Date: 25 Jun 2004 09:03:09 +0200
>>>>> "Rex" == Rex F May <rex.may@comcast.net> writes:
Rex> There are 5 vowels:
Rex> A as in fAther E as in bEt* I as in machIne O as in bOAt U as
Rex> in bOOt
Rex> *E is pronounced within a syllable as the English bEt, gEt,
Rex> sEll, but when it ends a syllable, it has the "brighter"
Rex> sound as in French "ai" as in lAIt, sAIs.
Why this complication for "E"? And why isn't there something similar
for the other 4 vowels?
Rex> And there are five "Weaks." Weaks are neither vowels nor
Rex> consonants, but somewhere in between. They have vowel-like
Rex> quality, but never form a syllable:
So complicated. These sounds are very difficult for many people.
Rex> Finally, some non-Ceqli sounds may be used to transcribe
Rex> foreign words or for other reasons. They can be indicated by
Rex> digraphs, thus:
Rex> ZH as in meaSure TH as in THin DH as in THen KH as in BaCH
Funny. Why no letters to transcribe words from Malay (you'd need a
"gn" as in French, which is spelt "nh" in Malay)? Why no letters for
the z/c/s, /zh/ch/sh, j/q/x distinctions in Mandarin? How should one
transcribe click sounds?
Rex> Stress falls on the last syllable unless it ends in a vowel
Rex> (A, E, I, O U), in which case it falls on the next-to-last
Rex> syllable.:
Stress? What is it? What a foreign concept!
How are you going to pronounce a stressed syllable? With a lower
pitch? With a longer duration? And how to pronounce an unstressed
syllable? With a louder voice? With a supersonic pitch? Rising
tone?
Besides, how about rhythm? Is Ceqli supposed to be syllable-timed or
stress-timed? Or random-timed?
Here, you're doing nothing better than Esperanto's "16 basic grammar
rules".
Rex> We don`t know what any of it means, but we know what the
Rex> morphemes are. This avoids the "sukero" problem of
Rex> Esperanto.
What's wrong with "sukero"?
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