Re: The Phaistos Disk, side A, according to Fischer

From: Qakare (qakare_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/07/04 

Date: 7 Jul 2004 10:02:39 -0700

grapheus@www.com (grapheus) wrote in message news:<337ae51f.0407070100.2f3adb87@posting.google.com>...
> Jacques Guy <jguy@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:<40EBC5D2.642F@alphalink.com.au>...
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > grapheus wrote:
>
> PROOFS, as I said,
> > > > which are THE MOST IMPORTANT, a lot more than the
> > > > translation of the text or the method J.F. used!...
>
> Of course, WRITING that the "Proto-Ionic Solution" is THE ONLY ONE to
> EXPLAIN in a VERY SATISFACTORY WAY *all* the EPIGRAPHICAL FACTS, like
> : "Why are the signs crowded in A29 and not in the adjacents
> compartments ?" , or DISCUSSING matters like : "What is the
> probability that a false deciphering-attempt can lead to acrophony ?"

100%! And here comes the explanation:

Professor Hempl published in 1911 the first decipherment theory for
the Phaistos Disc. In contrast to Faucounau Hempl has described his
way of deciphering in detail: "... it would be necessary to weigh the
probabilities, form tentative theories, and the rigorously test them -
in other words, to do some judicious guessing and see if it worked."
First he guessed that sign 02 must be <a> and sign 29 must be <e>.
After that he "looked for words beginning with signs already
identified, and then" he "examined every word in the dictionary that
began with the sounds represented by the known characters." By this
way he comes to the conclusion that the Script was using acrophony.
But this conclusion was not very helpful, for Instance for sign 45 he
decided to try the word 'stream': "After testing nineteen other Greek
words for 'stream', " he "found that <pnyn> was what " he "was after.
..." Or for sign 32 "There are plenty of greek words for 'dove', but
no one of them would work, try as" he "would. It was only when" he
"thought of Latin columba, 'dove', that" he "got hold of Greek
<kolvmssoc>." "One can readily imagine the amount of time and patience
required. But all the drudgery way quickly forgotten when it led to
results." (George Hempl in Harpers Monthly Magazine, January 1911, p.
187-198) It is clear that by this way always a acrophonic word would
be found. So the probability that a false deciphering-attempt leads to
acrophony is 100%!

qakare

P.S.: At the end of his article Hempl comes to the conclusion that the
Phaistos Disk contains a text in a archaic ionic dialect. If you think
that it is remarkable that Faucounau also found an ionic dialect you
are right. Here is the explanation: At the beginning of his book
Faucounau writes "A la memoire de Florence Melian Stawell qui
pressentit, la premiere, la solution de l'engme". (Jean Faucounau, Le
dechiffrement du disque de Phaistos, p.7) And Stawell herself was
writing at the beginning of her article: "credit must be given to
Professor Hempl for being first in field. ... I have no doubt that
many of the sound-values he proposed are right" (Florence Melian
Stawell, in the Burlington Magazine 19, 1911 p. 23-38).

Here comes the start of Hempls readings of side A: A-po-su-la-r
ke-si-po e-pe-t e-e-se a-po-le-is-tu te-pe-ta-po. (Lo, Xipho the
prophetess dedicates spoils from a spoiler of the prophetess.) Te-u-s,
a-po-ku-ra. (Zeus guard us.) Vi-ka-na a-po-ri-pi-na la-ri-si-ta
a-po-ko-me-nu so-to. (In silence put aside the most dainty portions of
the still unroasted animal.) A-te-ne-Mi-me-ra pu-l. (Athene Minerva,
be gracious.) A-po-vi-k. (Silence!) A-po-te-te-na-ni-si tu-me. (The
victims have been put to death.) A-po-vi-k. (Silence!)

> -- "Why 3 leading astronomers have involuntarily demonstrated that the
> "Inventors of the Constellations" were the Proto-Ionians ?.. What to
> think about the Ovenden's theory ?" -- etc. ARE TO PUT ASIDE !...
> ONLY COMPARING the *PROVED* J.F.'s decipherment with OBVIOUS
> STUPIDITIES like the Crombette's one IS, in YOUR eyes, ESSENTIAL !!!!
> Think a bit about it : What IF the discussion of the CENSORED SUBJECTS
> was leading to the conclusion that, YES, the Proto-Ionic Solution
> *IS* the GOOD ONE ?... HOW SHOCKING !.. Better keep silent about
> such matters !...
>
> By the way : NOBODY in this group has commented one of the
> EPIGRAPHICAL PROOFS I gave, am I wrong?...
>
> grapheus

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