Re: Did the Trojan war really happen the way Homer said it did?

From: Franz Gnaedinger (frgn_at_bluemail.ch)
Date: 07/15/04 

Date: 14 Jul 2004 23:43:36 -0700

frgn@bluemail.ch (Franz Gnaedinger) wrote in message news:<2bf25455.0407132252.2a619eb3@posting.google.com>...

The second sign in the central field on the Tiryns side
of the Phaistos Disk shows the bald head of a man with
a tatoo on his cheeck: a pair of touching circles. The
phonetic value of the male head is EY, in SEYR = Zeus
according to Derk Ohlenroth.

EY or EI might come from eidos = appearance, shape, form,
beauty, idea, imagination ..., and from eidos = I see,
recognize, am similar ... This could mean that the sign
shows eponymous Tiryns, the equal of Zeus in human shape,
while the pair of touching circles visualize their close
relation, which is the topic of the first words on the
Tiryns side of the disk according to Derk Ohlenroth:

   S EY R K I PH A AI N N O S S EY R A I

     Y L K I O S O I K Y OU S A N S G O N O S

        I S O S

   Zeus is the shining one also when Zeus is the

     Lycaion one, to whose women (to the ones made

       pregnant by him) children are born his equal

Next time: the ear of grain in the central field

Regards Franz Gnaedinger

 
> The central field on the Tiryns side of the Phaistos Disk
>
> rosette male head ear of grain
>
> to be read as S EY R (Zeus) according to Derk Ohlenroth,
> may have been programmatic.
>
> The rosette, we have seen, alludes to the still extant rosette
> of supporting stones around the former Circular Building on
> the hill of Tiryns; forms a windrose marking N NE E SE S SW W NW;
> represents a calendar of 8 months of 5 weeks or 45 days, to which
> have been added 5 or occasionally 6 days; can be interpreted as
> a flower, telling of a flourishing civilization; and may moreover
> be understood as the sun, shining on the male head or king and
> the ear of grain in the central field.
>
> According to Derk Ohlenroth, the phonetic value of the rosette
> is a sigma (s) or perhaps an emphatic sigma (ss). The sigma
> may perhaps have come from selas = shine, lustre, light, ray,
> spark, a word present in selaenae = moon, moonshine, and from
> steropae = flash, shine, lustre. Sterop-aegereta was an epithet
> of Zeus: flash hurling Zeus. As a flower, the rosette of the
> phonetic value 's' may refer to sporos = sowing, seed, crop;
> sperm, birth, descent, descendants; fruit, yield. Another
> meaningful s-word may be stilbo = I shine, and stilpnos =
> shining, that go along with the begin of the Tiryns spiral:
> SEYR KI PHAINNOS ... = Zeus is the shining one ...
>
> The peculiar name Seyr for Zeus may have a correspondence
> in the Hittite pantheon of Thousand (mostly borrowed) Deities.
> Teshub, the supreme god of Hattusas, the God of the Celestial
> Weather and Time (my translation from French "Dieu du Temps
> Celeste") carried a bundle of three flashes in his left hand,
> reminding of the flash hurling Zeus, and was accompanied by
> a pair of sacred bulls, namely Serri, the bull of daytime,
> and Hurri, the bull of nighttime. The name Serri or Serry,
> bull of daytime, comes close to Seyr, Helladic name of Zeus
> according to Derk Ohlenroth's decipherment of the Phaistos Disk.
> You certainly know that Zeus abducted Europe from Asia Minor to
> Crete in the guise of a bull.
>
>
> Next time: the male head (king) and his tattoo
>
> Regards Franz Gnaedinger
>
>
> > My commented edition of Homer's Odyssey mentions a week of 9 days
> > (relying on / referring to VII 253, IX 82, X 28, XII 447, XIV 314).
> >
> > If a Mycenaean week really consisted of 9 days, a year would have
> > had 40 weeks or 360 days, plus 5 and occasionally 6 additional days,
> > yielding a total of 365 and sometimes 366 days.
> >
> > 7 lunations (e.g. from one to the next full moon) dure 206.775...
> > or practically 207 days. 207 days are 23 weeks of 9 days.
> >
> > As an experiment I tried to construct a calendar of the Falera /
> > Bush Barrow type. The only reasonable solution I found consists
> > in a double concentric circle, the outer circle representing
> > 16 weeks, the inner circle representing 8 weeks, a year being
> > composed of 16 + 8 + 16 = 40 weeks, plus of 5 or 6 more days
> > indicated by a small circular sign (or an empty frame as in
> > the case of the Falera bronze disk) in the nadir of the outer
> > circle of 16 weeks:
> >
> > http://www.seshat.ch/home/falerag1.GIF
> > http://www.seshat.ch/home/falerag2.GIF
> >
> > Spring and fall are short seasons of passage in Greece, and so
> > may have dured one month each, while winter and summer would have
> > lasted 3 months each. The resulting figure of summer, yellow in
> > my graphic, consists of the inner circle plus the lower quadrants
> > of the outer circle, and may remind of a goddess figurine with
> > raised arms. However, I did nowhere find a calendar figure of
> > that kind anywhere in my books at home, and so I have to place
> > a question mark behind my calendar reconstruction or rather play.
> >
> > But while I looked out for possible Mycenaean calendar figures
> > I came across the Phaistos Disk and the rosette in the center
> > of the Tiryns spiral. According to Derk Ohlenroth, the begin of
> > that spiral can be read as follows:
> >
> > S EY R K I PH A AI N N O S S EY R AI Y L K I O S ...
> >
> > Zeus is the shining one also when Zeus is the Lycaion one ...
> >
> > The rosette would represent the first letter S of Seyr, Helladic
> > name of Zeus. Furthermore it would remind of the (still extant)
> > rosette of supporting stones at the base of the Early Helladic
> > Circular Building on the hill of Tiryns.
> >
> > http://www.seshat.ch/home/tiryns.GIF
> >
> > In the above graphic I turned the Tiryns side of the Phaistos
> > Disk so that the end of the spiral coincides with the main
> > entrance of the acropolis. That orientation makes sense in many
> > ways. Furthermore, the rosette in the center is aligned to the
> > eight heavenly directions N NE E SE S SW W NW. And now there
> > would be a further aspect, since the eight petals might also
> > mark a calendar of 8 months; the short seasons of passage,
> > namely spring and fall, during one month each, the long seasons
> > winter and summer lasting 3 months each.
> >
> > While the four petals that form a vertical-horizontal cross
> > denote the main heavenly directions north and south, east and
> > west, the oblique cross formed by the four remaining petals
> > mark the months of the equinoxes and solstices.
> >
> > A very simple yet a beautiful and complex calendar figure,
> > well worthy of Zeus, who was the supreme Greek god already in
> > the Early Helladic period of time.
> >
> > Regards Franz Gnaedinger

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