Re: The Phaistos Disk, side A, according to Faucounau (was: Fischer)

From: grapheus (grapheus_at_www.com)
Date: 07/15/04 

Date: 15 Jul 2004 00:30:09 -0700

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> > > > > > > > > > > If he found the number of signs to high, why then he used so much signs
> > > > > > > > > > > with complex values?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have to repeat it : any SCRIPT is a COMPROMISE between PHONETIC
> > > > > > > > > > ACCURACY and SIMPLICITY!...
> > > > > > > > > > Writing KRO instead of KO-RO is PHONETIC ACCURACY... In French,
> > > > > > > > > > writing <e> ,<é> and <è> is PHONETIC ACCURACY... Etc. But writing
> > > > > > > > > > in Mycenaean KO-RO instead of KRO is SIMPLICITY ... In the Phaistos
> > > > > > > > > > Disk, having ONE SIGN to translate TA, DA and THA is SIMPLICITY..
> > > > > > > > > > Etc.
> > > > > > > > > > Don't always ask "WHY" : Because THINGS are NOT ALWAYS LOGICAL !...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In the case of Faucounaus decipherment you are right. It is not
> > > > > > > > > logical and must therefore be rejected!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IT is PERFECTLY LOGICAL... What is NOT is the WAY people DO TRANSLATE
> > > > > > > > SOUNDS into a SCRIPT. And this is a GENERAL PHENOMENON... Why, for
> > > > > > > > instance English uses different ways to write a "/i/ long" ?... Do
> > > > > > > > you have a LOGICAL explanation ?...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not logical. For instance that /s/ and /r/ occur at the same time
> > > > > > > with complex values doesn't make sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Following *YOUR* opinion !!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Faucounau read sign 03 as
> > > > > > > /sto/. But such a sign is not needed any more in that script. You have
> > > > > > > the <s>! Therfore you should write /s-to/ easily as 12-33!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You forgot that 12-33 would be read AS-TO, not STO , like 13-1 is read
> > > > > > AR-GO(S) !...
> > > > > > Your objection is, once more, far-fetched !..
> > > > >
> > > > > Very funny. Sometimes it's a /as/ sometimes a /s/, depending on what
> > > > > Faucounaus likes.
> > > >
> > > > NO! Following the CONTEXT !... At the BEGINNING of a word, it HAS to
> > > > be AS. At the end, it HAS to be -S. As SIMPLE AS THAT !..
> > > > But, of course, you IGNORE that in English, for instance, -EA- has not
> > > > the same PHONETIC VALUE in "deal" and in "a bear" !... Or that in the
> > > > XVIIe century French, the letter S was read sometimes /S/, other times
> > > > /F/ , etc...
> > > > WHAT A SCANDAL !... These examples show that your POSTULATE concerning
> > > > the Orthographic CONSISTENCY is DEADLY WRONG !.. Better IGNORING this
> > > > fact, as you IGNORE the *PROOFS* that the Proto-Ionic Solution IS the
> > > > ONLY CORRECT ONE, right ?....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moreover, it's ridiculous to start from the POSTULATE - never
> > > > > > respected by ANY script in the word!- that ORTHOGRAPHY is ALWAYS
> > > > > > "LOGICAL" , with the object of disparaging a decipherment PROVED by a
> > > > > > lot of EVIDENCE.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't talk about orthography! We are talking about the "grid" of
> > > > > Faucounaus syllables. This grid is a mix of all kinds of values the
> > > > > history of writing knows.
> > > >
> > > > AND HERE YOU GO AGAIN with your DISPARAGING but FALSE STATEMENTS !!!!
> > > > The said "mix of values" is, FOR the CONSONANTS, THE SAME AS IN THE
> > > > "CYPRIOT SYLLABIC SCRIPT" . As for the DOUBLE value of the S-sign, you
> > > > find the SAME PHENOMENON in the "Cypriot Syllabic Script" also. This
> > > > time, a sign has not the TWO values -S and AS- , but the TWO values :
> > > > -S and SE- .
> > >
> > > Foucaunaus AS- and AR- does not fit in his grid.
> >
> > And WHY it does'n't FIT ?.. Because you SAID it ?...
> > Why a GREEK, inventing a script after having see the Egyptian
> > Hieroglyphs, who INVENTS an ACROPHONIC SCRIPT, but who NEEDS the
> > CONSONANTS -S and -R at the end of the words, would have NOT INVENTED
> > signs AS and AR for using them as -S and -R at the end of the words
> > ?....
> >
> > > Similiar to the
> > > cypriot syllabic script it has to read as -S and SA- and -R and RA-.
> >
> > RIDICULOUS !... The Phaistos Disk's Script is NOT the Cypriot Script
> > !..
> > It's a NORMAL THING that in the Sypriot Script, a scribe, who had THE
> > SAME NEED as the Phaistos Disk's scribe to be able to render a final
> > -S or -R, DID USE the EXISTING SIGNS of the BORROWED SCRIPT !..
>
> Take a look at Linear B, for what is happened in a borrowed script.
> There is even one system, the old one or a new one. No example can be
> found in which three types are mixed. But maybe you can give us a
> example for such a script.

?????? I gave you one : the Cypriot Script !... Can you read what is written ?

>
> > It's a different thing with the Phaistos Disk's Script WHICH HAS NOT
> > BEEN BORROWED, but invented!...
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway that for instance sign 01 can be read as go, gu, ko, ku, kho
> > > and khu is unbelievable.
> >
> > AND ONCE AGAIN, you are FORGETTING that the Phaistos Disk's Script HAS
> > BEEN INVENTED by a PROTO-IONIAN scribe !... ONLY in a Ionic Dialect
> > can O and U be almost the same phonemes.
> > This WELL-KNOWN PECULIARITY is even the thread which lead J.Faucounau
> > to the conclusion that the DIALECT "HAD" to be "IONIC". He has related
> > that he found, by Statistical considerations only, that the SCRIPT was
> > using the SAME sign for rendering O and U, but TWO different signs for
> > rendering etymological "short A" and "long A" . Therefore, he DEDUCED
> > that the LANGUAGE should be of a "IONIC TYPE" .....
>
> Right the Phaistos Disk's Script HAS BEEN INVENTED by Faucounau.

No !.. By a Proto-Ionian scribe. And you cannot deny that !..
By the way, are you trying to compete with Guy-the-clown in bad jokes ????

grapheus

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