Re: What's the different between /tS/ as one phoneme and as two?

From: Greg Lee (greg_at_ling.lll.hawaii.edu)
Date: 07/19/04 

Date: 19 Jul 2004 11:46:39 GMT

Nathan Sanders <nsanders.DIE.SPAM@wso.williams.edu> wrote:
> In article <cdemr1$793$2@news.hawaii.edu>,
> Greg Lee <greg@ling.lll.hawaii.edu> wrote:

> > > > > And actually, for some speakers, their may be an actual acoustic
> > > > > difference between the phoneme [tS] and the sequence [tS], so a tiebar
> > > > > would be unnecessary: [h&?tSA?p] versus [h&tSI?t].
> >
> > This is not a persuasive example, because the stresses on the second
> > syllables of your pair differ, and that difference is sufficient
> > to explain the difference in syllabification. Also, in <hat shop>

> True.

> How about "the cat she titles" versus "the catchy titles"?

It works better, for me, but the two can merge. So it's a minimal
unpair. And in classical phonemics, examples with different
junctures are not legitimate minimal pairs, anyway. 

-- 
Greg Lee <greg@ling.lll.hawaii.edu>