Re: Linear A tablet Hagia Triada 95

From: o8TY (o8ty_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/29/04 

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:43:48 +1000

"Franz Gnaedinger" <frgn@bluemail.ch> wrote in message
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> frgn@bluemail.ch (Franz Gnaedinger) wrote in message
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> o8TY: can you also locate Prometheus in the Greek area?
> His whereabouts may hint at the origin of Minos.
>

You say Methone, I say Methana.

> Agriculture started 9,000 years ago in the Harran plain
> in northern Syria, not far from Aleppo and Ebla. The stone
> pillar sanctuary Goebekli Tepe north of the Harran plain
> in southeast Anatolia was in use for two millennia, from
> 11,500 till 9,500 BP (no typo here); the T-shaped pillars
> are up to eight meters tall; the largest but unfinished
> pillar in a nearby quary would weigh fifty tons if freed
> from the rock; reliefs on the pillars show various animals;
> on the phallic pillar 2 in the snake pillar building are
> seen a stork, above it a fox, above it a bull. Late Neolithic
> miniature stone horned pieces from Hallan Cemi, Upper Tigris
> drainage, anticipate the Minoan sacral horns. The sealing
> of a jug from Ebla shows a bull attacked by a lion but
> supported by men and demi-gods, while a kneeling Minotaur
> holds a symbol of two human heads and two lion heads.
>
> Odysseus, returning home, is not recognized by his wife
> Penelope and tells her he is a Cretan, a son of Deucalion,
> who is a son of Minos, who is a son of Zeus. However,
> Deucalion was not a son of Minos but of Prometheus.
>

Methinks you have your dates confused.

> One never knows with Homer, who was no less wily and ruseful
> than his hero, whose lie might perhaps reveal a connection
> of some kind between Prometheus and Minos.
>
> Prometheus was punished for bringing fire to the humans.
> That can hardly have been the fire needed for cooking,
> it must have been the fire for melting metals and casting
> arms. Anatolia and the Caucasus have been the pioneers in
> early metallurgy. Maroding nomads equipped with bronze
> weapons have been a constant tread for settlements and early
> kingdoms. This may have been the origin of Minos and the
> Minotaur in Ebla. While the bull on a pillar of Goebekli Tepe
> symbolizes male potency, the Minos bull protects a settlement,
> a town, a kingdom, just like a bull protects a herd of
> peaceful cows against attacking lions.
>

9000 => 1500 => 1200. You're raving.

> Crete would have been a good choice for emigrees from Ebla:
> sea-girt, mountains enclosing the fertile plains, no real
> danger coming from the Late Neolithic dwellers and from the
> fugitives from Greece and Libya, and so the Young God on
> a seal from Knidea easily grasps a pair of lions and lifts
> them up as if they were just a pair of puppies, while the
> Goddess on a seal impression from Knossos is accompanied
> by a tame lion.
>

And before a lion, a boar and a dolphin.

> In my books at home I find many Mycenaean lions attacking
> bulls, but no such a scene in Minoan art. This might be
> a significant iconographic difference.
>
> A Mycenaean king was not a bull but a lion, and the symbol
> of his kingship was the griffin with the head of an eagle
> for Zeus, and the body of a lion for himself who is acting
> in the name of Zeus, along his will and word.
>

Seems like Zeus was doing the Promethean shuffle.

> Regards Franz Gnaedinger www.seshat.ch
>
>
> > The hieroglyphic medaillon HM 1278 from Knossos forms roughly
> > an oval topped by a triangle. Left of the perforation is
> > a cross, below the cross a double axe followed by a bull's
> > head and an S-rune evoking a bull leaper similar to the ivory
> > figurine from Knossos, although much simpler. Bull and leaper
> > yield MI-NU, as in the case of the Linear A tablet Hagia Triada
> > 95, and may be an abbreviation of mi-nu-te or minuthe or minuth
> > or Minos. The Linear B version of a double axe is shown on
> > a pole and has the phonetic value A. If also the hieroglyphic
> > precursor of the double axe meant A, it could be an abbreviation
> > of ADU or Haddu or Baal. The blades are down, the handle points
> > upward, going parallel with the bull's front. A double axe in
> > such a position (and this combination is frequent on hieroglyphic
> > tablets and medaillons) evokes a sacrifice and makes me think of
> > Baal who died every seventh year, and when he was born again
> > a joyous festival was held. The cross may be a dedication,
> > meaning: for Baal, ruler of the four heavenly directions;
> > or, as an oblique cross: for Baal who makes the weather in the
> > four heavenly quadrants N-E E-S S-W W-N. All four signs may now
> > be read as follows:
> >
> > x (for) A(DU of New) MINU(th in Crete)
> >
> > for Addu Haddu Baal of New mu-nu-ti-um mnt Minnith
> >
> > mi-nu-te minuthe minuth Minos in Crete
> >
> > The small medaillon might have been put on a bag of wheat from
> > mu-nu-ti-um or Ebla in Syria and been destined for a meal in honor
> > of reborn Baal.
> >
> > The hieroglyphic script, mainly from Knossos and Mallia,
> > is older than Linear A, mainly from Hagia Triada in southern
> > Crete and Kato Zakros on eastern Crete, so the first hypothetical
> > Syrian "colonizers" who might have arrived in around 3000 BC
> > would have settled on the northern shore, in the region of
> > Knossos and Mallia.
> >
> > Walther Hinz called Linear A "a miserable botched-up script."
> > I find the first signs in Linear A and its hieroglyphic
> > precursor that I believe to fully understand elegant, witty
> > and meaningful, on a par with the Minoan genius in the fine
> > arts and in palace building.
>
>
> > > > Ladies and Gentlemen, here you are with the name of Minos
> > > > in Linear A, as appearing on both sides of the tablet Hagia
> > > > Triada 95, and, with a slight modification of the first sign,
> > > > on another tablet, and perhaps on several more of the some
> > > > 300 surviving Linear A tablets:
> > > >
> > > > o
> > > > o o ooooooo
> > > > o o o o
> > > > o o o o ooooooo
> > > > o o o o o o o
> > > > o o o o o ooooooo
> > > > o o o o o o o
> > > > o o o o o
> > > > o o o o o o
> > > > o o o
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cyrus H. Gordon, Jan Best, Richard Stieglitz and Walther Hinz
> > > > believed in a northwestern Asian Minor origin of Linear A.
> > > > Walther Hinz read the above signs as mi-nu-te, meaning Ebla
> > > > in Syria, Tell Mardikh 40 kilometers south of Aleppo or Halab
> > > > or perhaps Khalab. Ebla was known as mu-nu-ti-um in Eblaite
> > > > around 2300 BC, as mnt in Ugaritic, and as Minnith in the
> > > > Bible, Ezekiel 27 17. If minute was pronounced something like
> > > > minuthe or minuth, it would be close to Minos. The first sign
> > > > evokes the head of a bull, also in the modified version on
> > > > the other tablet mentioned above. May there also be a Minoan
> > > > correspondence for the second sign? Yes, the acrobat jumping
> > > > over the bull. You see him standing on his feet, rising his
> > > > arms high above the head, next time you see him standing on
> > > > his hands, legs and feet raised high, then again on his feet.
> > > > So this would be a witty sign, making use of the mind's
> > > > ability of swiftly switching between to interpretations of
> > > > the same graph. Now for the third sign. It reminds of the
> > > > Tree of Life, widespread in Asia Minor and in Crete as well,
> > > > see for example the Middle Minoan seal from the Idean cave,
> > > > where Cretan Zeus was born.
> > > >
> > > > May the Minoans have come from Ebla munutium mnt Minnith
> > > > minute minuthe minuth and founded a New Minos in the fertile
> > > > Mesara plain in southern Crete? as the pilgrims from York
> > > > in England founded a New York in America?