Re: Was Iranian languages spoken in Anatolia prior to Battle of Anzikert?

From: Yusuf B Gursey (ybg_at_TheWorld.com)
Date: 08/14/04 

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:32:10 +0000 (UTC)

In sci.lang Nirvana <worrylesswarrior@yahoo.com> wrote in <34e36f1b.0408140826.7e886f78@posting.google.com>:

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: You seem to be correct! I had no idea that Greek was supplanted by
: Altaic languages!

by only one Altiac language, Turkish.

:
: However, I do have some opinions and questions:
: 1. Why was Greek spoken in the *Eastern* portion of Anatolia when
: Greece is on the Western side?
: 2. I think that I read that Armenian language had a much bigger
: presence in those days. Perhaps it was spoken in the North Eastern
: areas of present-day
: Turkey.http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen91.html
: seems to indicate what I'm saying.

yes. Armenian was spoken in Eastern Anatolia (surviving until modenr
times), along with Kurdish (Kurdish, i.e. (N.) Kurmanji and Dimili
(Zaza)) which survives.

Armenian was also spoken in protions of Central Anatolia and Cilicia.

Laz, a language related to Georgian survives as pockets in NE Anatolia
(mainly near the Black Sea coast)

: 3. Wasn't Israel a colony of the Romans? How did they bypass

it was called Judea or Palestine.

: Greek-speaking Anatolia to Israel, where the locals there spoke
: Aramaic and Greece?

"Greece" is not a language name.

the Romans conquered Greece and Anatolia.

: 4. To my surprise, it doesn't seem that Iranian languages had a big
: presence in Eastern Anatolia in those days around 1000 AD. What do
: you think?

probably an older form of Kurdish was spoken in Eastern anatolia, mainly
by mountian nomads.

an iranian kingdom (subject to the Romans, probbaly speaking a form of
Kurdish) was present in the early 1st millenium in SE Anatolia

: I have an article below from your website that you recommended me:

: In 1054 relations between Greek-speaking Eastern and Latin-speaking
: Western traditions within the Christian Church reached a terminal
: crisis. There was never a formal declaration of institutional
: separation, and the so-called Great Schism actually was the
: culmination of centuries of gradual separation. From this split, the
: modern (Roman) Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches arose.

: Like Rome before it, though, Byzantium soon fell into a period of
: difficulties, caused to a large extent by the growth of the landed
: aristocracy, which undermined the theme system. Facing its old
: enemies, the Holy Roman Empire and the Abbasid caliphate, it might
: have recovered, but around the same time new invaders appeared on the
: scene who had little reason to respect its reputation - the Normans,
: who conquered Italy, and the Seljuk Turks, who were mainly interested
: in defeating Egypt but still made moves into Asia Minor, the main

the Saljuks wanted to keep Anatolia open to Turkish nomads. an attempt at
sealing the border by the Byzantines led to Saljuk retailiation, and to
everyone's surprise a rout of the Byzantines.

: recruiting ground for the Byzantine armies. With the defeat at
: Manzikert of emperor Romanus IV in 1071 by Alp Arslan, sultan of the
: Seljuk Turks, most of that province was lost. The final split between
: the Roman and Orthodox churches occurred at this time as well, with
: their mutual excommunication in 1054.

the Byzantines tried to patch things up at last minute nad called for
European help, this led to the crusades but the differences between Europe
and the Byzantines remained (whenthe Crusaders did more than "help" the
Byzantines).

:> > What was the language that the Turks replaced en masse in 1071 AD?
:>
:> Koine Greek
:>
:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor
:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

:> Koine Greek
:>
:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor
:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

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