Re: Phaistos Disk : the Blind Structural Analysis Method

From: grapheus (grapheus_at_www.com)
Date: 08/24/04 

Date: 24 Aug 2004 00:32:30 -0700

qakare@hotmail.com (Qakare) wrote in message news:<dad05270.0408230856.7e9ab58c@posting.google.com>...
> Grapheus, your answer is off topic. Nothing that you have written is
> dealing with the structural analyses. Instead you are talking about
> your second favourite topic: About a lot of proofs that the
> decipherment is the correct one without having a single one. Not even
> the question whether the language of the Phaistos Disk is Greek you
> are able to answer with Faucounaus books and articles!

Your repetitious statements are boring !..
Why should I discuss about "Structural Analysis", once I said that it
was a DANGEROUS METHOD ?..
Or about the Probability for the Language to be GREEK, when the text
HAS BEEN DECIPHERED WITH GREEK ?..
Why should a winner at a Lottery discuss about the Probability he had
to be wrong, or about the fact that he made a mistake in his
Birthday-date ?.. THE ONLY THING which counts is THE CHECK he cashed,
i.e. in this case THE PROOFS !..
And for those, you are ALWAYS REPEATING the same motto : "Show us the
Proofs! Show us the Proofs!". I already told you : I am not in charge
of sparing interested scholar to make their bibliographical work !.. I
CITED the SOURCES where ANYBODY may FIND THE DETAIL of the PROOFS . If
you don't want to read them, it's YOUR problem, not mine. But STOP
saying like a parrot : "there are no proofs! There are no proofs!".
BECAUSE IT'S A LIE. These PROOFS do exist, and I have already SEVERAL
TIMES given a Summary of them. They are called : "Mathematical
Proofs", "Astronomical proof", "Linguistical Proofs", etc.
Just make a Google Search, and you will find my previous posts about
them... If it's not a too big effort from your part...

grapheus

>
> If you want to talk about your not existing proofs, why you didn't
> answer to message news:<dad05270.0408170820.9f8fae@posting.google.com>?
> Show at least one proof or be quiet about this topic!
>
> qakare
>
> P.S.: That you have deleted the explanation I have given for the
> question why the existence of proto-ironic people is meaningless is
> only funny. Obviously you have no points to argue on the fact that the
> existence of Egypt, Minoan, Chinese and Hittite people at the time of
> the Phaistos Disk is out of question.
>
> grapheus@www.com (grapheus) wrote in message news:<337ae51f.0408222319.27de6800@posting.google.com>...
> > qakare@hotmail.com (Qakare) wrote in message news:<dad05270.0408220735.1b0b57d@posting.google.com>...
> > > grapheus@www.com (grapheus) wrote in message news:<337ae51f.0408212345.5ecb2223@posting.google.com>...
> > > > What is frustrating with DOGMATICS is that when they are in front of a
> > > > guy saying that he won 1,000,000 dollars at a Lottery (Ole Hagen, J.
> > > > Faucounau, etc.), they will NEVER ask to see the PROOF, i.e. the
> > > > check.
> > >
> > > This is a lie. I asked you several times which book or papers do you
> > > mean. But without answer. (see
> > > <dad05270.0408170820.9f8fae@posting.google.com>)
> > > I have read Faucounaus book about the Phaistos Disk "Le Déchiffrement
> > > du disque de Phaïstos". If you mean that one of his other books says
> > > something important about this topic be so kind and give the title and
> > > the question which is answered in this book.
> >
> > If you had really read this book, you should have noticed the 25 or 30
> > references given, corresponding to the details of the *PROOFS*...
> > And now, another tip from me : in the book "Les Proto-Ioniens...", you
> > will find, for the MAIN pieces of EVIDENCE, a summary of those diverse
> > references..
> > And please, know that I am not in charge of teaching people who refuse
> > to make their bibliographical work !..
> >
> > > But be informed that I
> > > will not read books or articles in which only the existence of
> > > proto-ionic people is discussed.
> >
> > Ha,ha !.. Here I recognize you !.. DOGMATICS are like that : THEY
> > CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE IN !..
> >
> > >
> > > > They will told him that "it is IMPOSSIBLE to find the good 7
> > > > numbers" (Qakare, Peter,etc;)
> > >
> > > I never said that the Phaistos Disk is undecipherable. This is a lie!
> >
> > Concerning you, maybe... But not concerning other posters..
> >
> > grapheus
> >
> > >
> > > > , or they will hatefully argue that the
> > > > played numbers were not the real figures corresponding to his birthday
> > > > (Rolleston-the-Seminarian).
> > > > No scientific discussion is possible with such people, so this is
> > > > probably my last remark...
> > >
> > > How probably?
> > >
> > > > It concerns the so-called "Blind Structural Analysis" method. This
> > > > method was invented by G. Ipsen in 1929, and further applied by Y.
> > > > Duhoux to the Phaistos Disk. It's strange that the only mathematician
> > > > who checked its value has written that it was "a very dangerous
> > > > approach of the Phaistos Disk problem", because it was most of the
> > > > times flawed by the couple "language-syllabic script".
> > >
> > > Please be so kind and give the name of the mathematician and the place
> > > where he has published his checks.
> > >
> > > > With many
> > > > language, like Greek and French, the method leads to DESASTROUS
> > > > CONCLUSIONS, and this fact was recognized by J. Chadwick himself...
> > >
> > > Where has Chadwick published this? The language on the Phaistos Disk
> > > is probably neither Greek or French. BTW how do you write French with
> > > a syllabic script and where has Chadwick published this opinion?
> > >
> > > > Never mind !.. This doesn't deter our SUPER GENIUS Qakare from being
> > > > extatic about it...
> > >
> > > Ipsen started by the most obviously characteristic of the Phaistos
> > > Disk. On side A a group of three sign groups is repeated. Secondly
> > > Ipsen accepted only characteristics which occur several times. (And
> > > that in a text with only 53 different sign-groups.) Therefore his
> > > conclusions are in my eyes reasonable.
> > >
> > > qakare

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