Re: Nostratic

From: Anti-imperialist (ai_at_anti-imperialist.net)
Date: 09/20/04 

Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:26:14 -0700

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
>
> Anti-imperialist wrote:
> >
> > "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
> > >
> > > Igor Sklar wrote:
> >
> > > > QUOTE 2: The circumstances of the advent of Dravidian speakers in
> > > > India are shrouded in mystery. There are vague linguistic and cultural
> > > > ties with the Urals, with the Mediterranean area, and with Iran. It is
> > > > possible that a Dravidian-speaking people that can be described as
> > > > dolichocephalic (longheaded from front to back) Mediterraneans mixed
> > > > with brachycephalic (short-headed from front to back) Armenoids and
> > > > established themselves in northwestern India during the 4th millennium
> > > > BC. Along their route, these immigrants may have possibly come into an
> > > > intimate, prolonged contact with the Ural-Altaic speakers, thus
> > > > explaining the striking affinities between the Dravidian and
> > > > Ural-Altaic language groups.
> > >
> > > Speakers of a language cannot be described as any sort of cephalic or
> > > oid.
> >
> > Why not? If they aggregate into some sort of a racial stock, of course
> > they can! And the Dravidians do indeed appear to be a racial stock.
>
> In the few cases where a linguistic community has become totally
> isolated from any other population, over many generations, it may be
> that there is sufficient gene-pool-poverty that a correlation can be
> claimed.
>
> But that ain't how humans work.

You need to read the Journal of Physical Anthropology. They have been
splitting humans genetically and with skulls for a long time now. Of
interest to Jewish people, there is now a lot of research into them.
Ashkenazi Jews form a natural group, most close to
Kurds/Turks/Armenians, then to Sephardic Jews, then to Iraqi, Lebanese,
Palestinian and Syrian Arabs. Sephardic Jews formed another group,
closest to Iraqi, Lebanese, Palestinian and Syrian Arabs and then to
Ashkenazi Jews. And Iraqi, Lebanese, Palestinian and Syrian Arabs
formed another group. And Ethiopian Jews yet another.
>
> In the one natural experiment, the Polynesian islands haven't been
> occupied anywhere near long enough for the genes to get weeded out so
> that everyone looks like they're everyone else's half-sibling.
>
> Everywhere else, exogamy prevails.
>
> > There is no necessary connection between language family and
> > > genetic heritage.
> >
> > Sure, but in many cases, there is a dead-on match! Which of course the
> > anti-Greenbergians cannot explain, as usual. Dental evidence too.
>
> There are no "many cases."
>
> Unless, of course, you're thinking of the fraudulent chart conconcted by
> Cavalli-Sforza and Ruhlen about 15 years ago -- in which the
> tree-branching of the two sides show no correspondence whatsoever; the
> list of nodes down the middle has simply been put in an order such that
> you can rotate the branching on the two sides so they match up.

I don't know enough to comment, except to note that the Basques are
totally divergent from all other European groups, and African genetics
lines up with Greenberg's 4 groups + pygmies. Further, African
languages and genes are both the most distant of all from the rest of
us. Divergent.
>
> Which is quite apart from the fact that the connections on the language
> side are mostly illusory and invented anyway.
>
> The anthropologist who contributed the "dental evidence" has been shown
> to have made some pretty wild leaps of imagination, or perhaps
> fabrication, involving Anasazi (IIRC) remains. Cannibalism, wasn't it?

I think this is a phony case, ISTR. I think there was some cannibalism
involved with those Anasazi. The controversy is well-known to those of
us who have worked with American Indians. The Indians refuse to believe
their ancestors were cannibals! Also ISTR Christy Turner was not
involved in that. 

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