Re: History of French

From: Peter Dy (peterdy_at_sbcglobal.net)
Date: 09/21/04 

Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:41:28 GMT

"Ruud Harmsen" <realemailseesite01@rudhar.com> wrote in message
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> Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:27:18 GMT: "Peter Dy" <peterdy@sbcglobal.net>: in
> sci.lang:
>
>>
>>"Ruud Harmsen" <realemailseesite01@rudhar.com> wrote in message
>>news:ft0sk05sl05220n34384q5ojc1i5tbtt9a@4ax.com...
>>[...]
>>> Probably hard to describe phonetically, but clearly noticeable.
>>> Peter's observations for AmE are consistent with my own regarding
>>> Dutch. About the same rate of change. Differences difficult to
>>> pinpoint, by clearly recognizable. 30 years is long enough. That's
>>> roughly one generation, so it's not surprising my children talk
>>> noticeably differently than their parents. I heard my sister's chidren
>>> talk again last weekend, and they talk different _and_ the same as
>>> mine, due to a different mix of regional, parental and modernist
>>> influences. They too talk differently than both their parents, who
>>> don't both talk the same either, due to different though similar
>>> backgrounds.
>>> And all this happens in a country 300 by 200 km.
>>
>>
>>Isn't the American-like "r" in words like "daar" something that happened
>>in
>>the last 30 years, for example?
>
> Sort of, probably. More like 20 years.

Really? Wow, interesting. It's extremely common now on radio.

And it isn't exactly the same
> as an American r. And it isn't used in all positons

Yeah, that's why I wrote "American-like" and "in words like 'daar.'"

Peter

, in fact it's
> often combined with a very non-American uvular r in
> non-final/non-pre-final-consonsnt position.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen - http://rudhar.com

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