Re: language before Babel Re: Scottish Tribes of Jewish Origin???

From: Peter T. Daniels (grammatim_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 11/23/04 

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:20:59 GMT

Ron Hardin wrote:
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > Ron Hardin wrote:
> > >
> > > Babel (Bavel) was also a common noun meaning ``confusion,'' in addition
> > > to the name of god. This is important in lit crit.
> >
> > > On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
> >
> > Do enlighten us as to what language that word was a common noun meaning
> > confusion in, and when, as well as what god it was the name of, and why
> > you think so.
> > --
> > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net
>
> Hebrew. Try google.

No, thanks. I prefer scholarly dictionaries.

> here's one
> http://www.beth-elsa.org/education/dorldor/2001-10-23.htm
>
> note the confusion on the matter. It's a trope that keeps giving.
> ===
> The contact phone # during Religious School and Hebrew School hours is 382-4286.

I'm not interested in their confusion, and the US doesn't have 7-digit
phone numbers any more.

> Vocabulary
>
> Bavel – The name of the town in the story, Genesis 11:1-9.

correct

> Bavel – Babylonian “Gate of God” Hebrew “confounded speech”

Hebrew form of the Babylonian word; and a derived sense based on this
story

> Bilbul - confusion, disorder
>
> Bilbolet - a mess, a state of confusion
>
> Bilbel –– confuse, mix up

These three words, related to each other, have nothing to do with the
first word you cite. These are from a reduplicated BL; the other is
borrowed from baab 'gate' ilii 'of god'.

And you haven't provided any "name of god," whether related or not.

> bab·ble (bbl)
> n.

No connection with any of the above.

> 1. Inarticulate or meaningless talk or sounds.
>
> 2. Idle or foolish talk; chatter.
>
> v. intr.
>
> 1. To utter a meaningless confusion of words or sounds: Babies babble before they can talk.

And some jerks continue to do so even when they can.

> On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. 

-- 
Peter T. Daniels                       grammatim@att.net

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