Re: A fair and balanced look at sci.lang...

From: Alexander Gross (language_at_sprynet.com)
Date: 12/21/04 

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:22:45 GMT

<SNIP>

> Very kind of you to do so, but I was asking you to post something else,
the
> "final proof that PTD just might have a few skeletons in his closet".

I already have, go to my message of Jan. 1 2004. You might also want to
look at my most recent message to Ross Clark in this thread, where you will
find that i have not only totally punctured his most recent challenge but
placed him in a position where he can make no reasonable reply. But then
the demands of reason have never stopped him in the past.

> Erm, does nearly all your posts to sci.lang entail mentioning PTD? Why has
> he become a fixation for you?

I have a vast slew of message in my files proving that it has been entirely
the other way around. I have no intention of posting any of them.

>> For no reason other than that you seem to be in a bad temper, you have
indicated that >> you regard my recently published article as not worthy of
your attention.

> Really? I don't recall. Can you bring up the part where I did so.

Yes, of course. It's right here, in your message of Dec. 12:

> Surely if you felt comfortable with the quality your own
> work, you wouldn't need to display all this insecurity. In writing
messages
> such as the one you did, you've done nothing more than just show what
type
> of person you've been. A vain one. If you were a proper scholar, you'd
let
> your work speak for itself.

Please don't bore me by trying to argue that this is not intended as a slur
on my work and abilities as a scholar.

Isn't it time we started talking scholarship and stopped dealing in
personalities? Or is that all that people on sic.(sic!).lang are capable
of?

Do let me know when you have read my latest piece (another will be coming
soon) and what you feel its deficiencies may be.

"Dylan Sung" <dylanwhs.tsktsktsk@pacific.net.hk> wrote in message
news:32qtv6F3opqkrU1@individual.net...
> [top posting fixed]
> "Alexander Gross" <language@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> news:q8Fxd.5156$Z47.5072@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Dylan Sung" <dylanwhs.tsktsktsk@pacific.net.hk> wrote in message
> > news:32l168F3n23igU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Alexander Gross" <language@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:_C5xd.3551$Z47.796@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> > Well, what with all the talk of "lying liars," i got all excited &
was
> >> > about to repost the final proof that PTD just might have a few
> >> > skeletons in his closet. But i decided against it.
> >>
> >> Go on, post it. You know you want to.
> >>
> >>
> >> > After all, the holidays are now upon us, and i decided to spare
> >> > everyone. Anyway, i'd have to be around here full time to run
> >> > herd on all the nonsense posted here by PTD & his fellow
> >> > stooges, and i have far better things to do than that.
> >>
> >> Do you? Then why this message to tantalise us? Why not put the money
> >> where your mouth is? Go on, make your Xmas extra special.
> >>
> >> Dyl.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Dylan, i tried to send you the following twice via email but it came
back
> > each time, which could mean that you don't have too efficient a way of
> > dealing with your email.
>
> No, it's efficient as a spam trap, that's for sure, and by the looks of
> things, at least twice. I hope you don't have the same awkward spam
problem
> I once did.
>
> > Anyway, here it is again. If this doesn't work, i may have no choice
but
> > to post it on the group...
> >
> > [which i have just done]
>
> Very kind of you to do so, but I was asking you to post something else,
the
> "final proof that PTD just might have a few skeletons in his closet".
>
> I am interested in reading what you have to say on that subject. I think
you
> would be a terrible flirt for mentioning something, yet decline to show
it.
>
> > 2. This is in fact the way i normally communicate on groups where i have
> > played a constructive role over the past years. It would therefore be
> > reasonable for you to ask precisely why sci.lang should be an exception
&
> > why PTD should be a major force in making it so.
>
> Erm, does nearly all your posts to sci.lang entail mentioning PTD? Why has
> he become a fixation for you?
>
>
> >
> > 4. Let's just take one more instance of PTD's totally unwarranted
> > assertions, one that ought to mean something to you since you are
Chinese.
> > In a message he wrote on Jan. 13, 2001, PTD made it absolutely clear
that
> > he regards all acupuncturists as frauds--which assuming you understand
> > the theories underlying chinese medicine (and i want to assume you do)
> > --is merely another way of saying that all of zhongyi is also
fraudulent.
> > i would be surprised if you find such an opinion to be informed or even
> > defensible.
>
> If what you say is true, then it is his opinion on the matter. If you
can't
> respect his right to his own opinions, then what business do you have to
> maintain any discussion at all?
>
> >
> > 5. For no reason other than that you seem to be in a bad temper, you
have
>
> Me in a bad temper? How? I just want to see what you have to say about
PTD's
> supposed skeletons in his cupbard. If you have a quarrel with PTD, they
you
> ought to resolve it privately, not plaster all over usenet.
>
> > indicated that you regard my recently published article as not worthy of
> > your attention.
>
> Really? I don't recall. Can you bring up the part where I did so.
>
>
> > Yet my good friend Apollo Wu, until recently chief Chinese translation
> > revisor at the UN in New York and now CEO of his own Hongkong firm to
> > promote Chinese in all its forms has read it and has only praise for
> > it. It is to a great extent about Chinese, and i would appreciate it
> > if you would reappraise your own reactions and look at it, as i suspect
> > you will enjoy it.
>
> When and if I read it, I will tell you what I think of it.
>
> > 6. I would also ask you to consider that what you have dismissed as my
> > supposed waywardness on sci.lang is in fact just one manifestation of a
> > far larger international dissatisfaction within the world of
linguistics.
>
> Sounds very grand. Gross even.
>
> > It is a very real movement, and you can find out more about it from many
> > different websites, starting from the final entry under Linguistics on
> > my own site.
> >
> > I believe you owe me the courtesy of looking at my latest article before
> > you dismiss it on the basis of mere atmospherics you may not fully
> > understand.
>
> You pre-suppose that I will dismiss it. Well, ok then, your wish
fulfilled.
>
>
> > Once you have read it, i would be interested in hearing your reactions,
> > though i do not wish to embark on a prolonged correspondence about this
> > matter. The URL, once more, is:
> >
> > http://accurapid.com/journal/30review2.htm
> >
>
> I will come back to it later, once you've revealed what you have to say
> about PTD's closetted skeletons.
>
> Dyl.
>
>

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