Re: Italian vs Turkish

From: mb (azythos2_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 01/14/05 

Date: 13 Jan 2005 16:03:15 -0800

Aslan Kral wrote:
> "mb"

> : I don't care if you want to call it John or Mary.
> : So replace by "John" or "Mary":
>
> Neither do I. Infix is a term which is necessary for explaining some
things
> in some other languages. Some people are trying to explain Turkish
> suffixation with their terms.

Good. Now it's about time to differentiate suffixes that stand on their
own in terminal position, and particles that do not.

> : _In_ this case, it is not the -e of a wish form like verb-e "gele".
The
> : -e- here is not part of the -bil suffix.

> Functionally I see it as atomic. You can find more if you dig.

A good number of them, of course, mainly single vowels tied to specific
functions.

> Example:
> Suffix -le/-la (= En: with) is also used as "ile" (postposition)
which in
> turn comes from
> il-e. il is a verb meaning attach/tie/fasten and -e is the same
suffix you
> are talking about.
> However it is more and more preferred as a suffix in present Turkish.

That's fully grammaticalized as a stand-alone suffix. To the point of
being a "case", always to use non-Tr terminology.

> : The -u- is not part of it
> I thought you would come up with something completely different after
saying
> "No similarities again".

The absence of similarity is due not to the absence of the -u-, but to
totally different documented development from totally different
origins. The -u- remark is there only for precision's sake.

> I didn't expect you to say they are similar but what do you consider
> similar?
> Can you see any similarity between pesce (It) and fish (En)? As far
as I
> know both come from Latin.

Of course the similarity is there, and again, for nitpicking, one only
comes from Lat., they both come from IE.

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