Re: SJ et al 's Theories [was Re: lunar aspect of Egyptian Horus Eye series]

From: Dylan Sung (dylanwhs.tsktsktsk_at_pacific.net.hk)
Date: 03/03/05 

Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:00:10 -0000

"Tak To" <takto@alum.mit.edu.-> wrote in message
news:UdGdnR6sLsNnpLvfRVn-jw@comcast.com...
> a.manansala@attbi.com wrote:
>> I think SJ was going a bit far with the undefeatable Dongyi bit.
>
> I am not an SJ expert so I don't know what he has said over the
> years. However, in an exchange a couple of months ago, his claim

I'm not an expert either, despite the long exchanges, but some were just
fantastic, and erm, memorable.

> was not that the Dongyi were undefeatable, but that they were
> unassimilatable, and thus no Chinese is allowed to claim the
> Dongyi people as ancestors. As to what happened to the proud
> Dongyi people (mass suicide? migration to the Korean peninsular?),
> he could not give an answer, yet he was adamant that no Dongyi
> were left behind "save a few stragglers".

In the Shijing, the lands to north of old Shang territory as far as the
state of Yan were given over to Zhou's loyal commanders. It was three years
from conquest till the Zhou King gave audience to Jizi (aka Kija) to ask him
to help manage the remaining Shang peoples, but he declined. In later tales
it says he went to Chaoxian (Chosen). If this latter bit is mythology, then
that leaves the problem of how so many Dongyi passed through Zhou controlled
territory to end up in the "Korean territory" without much comment or
conflict.

>
> The following is not from SJ but of equal entertainment value:
> http://brd1.chosun.com/board/files/GOGURYU01/woo040212-13_2.gif
> [N.B. This might have been post by someone with the intention to
> discredit such theories.]

Haha!

Dyl.

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