Re: Indo-Aryan Migration in <<Several Waves>>

a.manansala_at_attbi.com
Date: 03/19/05 

Date: 18 Mar 2005 16:43:39 -0800

ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
> a.manans...@attbi.com wrote:

> > You're making assumptions that IE evolved from Vedic is the only
> > possible view.
>
> It was not uncommon the first "out of India" arguments but since it
was
> discovered how easy it was to blow holes in it, there is now a theory
> of PIE's origin in India but only those with adequate knowledge can
> discern that the language talked about is PIE since it is artfully
> presented in such a fashion as to lead the novice to believe that it
> was an archaic Sanskrit.
>

I don't know everything that's going on. Only the more active writers
like Subhash Kak, K. Elst and the like.

They don't appear to be suggesting archaic Sanskrit. Even though I
don't agree with all their views, they often get mischaracterized.

> > > The direction of migration of IE words for flora, fauna and
> artifacts
> > > has been analyzed in both these:
> > > http://www1.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ejvs0703/ejvs0703b.txt
> > > http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/ch33.htm
> >
> > Well, even mainstream Indo-Europeanists don't agree on PIE flora,
> > fauna, etc.
> >
> > You can see this on the different views regarding the PIE urheimat.
> > Also, how do you reconcile this with the archaeology or
anthropology?
>
> I don't. As far as I can tell, the PIE urheimat was in some location
> between Lake Balkash and the Baltic sea in the east-west direction
and
> between the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle in the north-south
> direction. It is those who insist on pin-pointing the urheimat more
> precisely than that who must justify their precision.
>

That's a huge area with much diversity of flora, fauna and
archaeological cultures.

> > One of the most important genetic markers used to support the
AIT/AMT
> > theory over the last few years, the Y chromosome M17 marker, now
> > appears to have originated in South Asia. Check out Stephen
> > Oppenheimer's recent book.
>
> Fascinating! I know nothing about how the marker was used. How did
they
> decide to use it before they knew where it originated?
>

Nearly every major "Aryan Influx Theory" genetic study used M17 as
evidence of Central Asian intrusion into India during the late Holocene
as it originally appeared to form a cline into that region.

The problem now is that according to the what is considered the
standard trump card in genetics (greatest diversity and least moves),
M17 appears of South Asian and even tribal origin.

Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
http://sambali.blogspot.com/