Re: Harrap: Radical changing nouns, olho/olhos?

From: Ruud Harmsen (realemailseesite01_at_rudhar.com.invalid)
Date: 03/29/05 

Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:12:33 +0200

(About: olho [oLu], olhos [OLuS] in Portuguese).

Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:44:18 +0100: António Marques <m.ap@sapo.pt>: in
sci.lang:

>1) What made you think portuguese ablaut wasn't well known?

It wasn't described in any of the grammar and course books I had then.
The many dictionaries I have don't mention it. They seem to assume the
readers (native speakers only?) already know. The only dictionary I
know (but dont own) that systematically lists such phenomena is the
"Dicionário da Língua Portuguesa Contemporânea" of the
"Academia das Ciências de Lisboa". (Links here:
http://rudhar.com/lingtics/portdict.htm ).

>It's been
>known since ever, it's alive and kicking in galician, and has always
>been recognised as a natural phenomenon in romance linguistics. It's
>due to the quantity of latin -u in the following syllable - u:, closed
>o; anything else (so the feminine -a and plural -os), open o.

It happens in some words, but not in others. How are foreign learners
to know if most modern books keep this a secret? I'm glad I have a
comprehensive list of them now in my own
http://rudhar.com/foneport/en/noteport.htm#Note7

Not yet fully checked against the "Dicionário da Língua Portuguesa
Contemporânea" and the historical books though, but hopefully correct. 

-- 
Ruud Harmsen - http://rudhar.com/

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