Re: Development of Germanic *k in High German


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Peter Dy wrote (I have mixed text from two of his posts here):

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> But the shift of /k/ to /kx/ simply didn't happen much...
> it was restricted to the Südoberdeutsch region (Südalemannisch,
> Südbairisch, and Mittelbairisch.)
> It did not happen in the other areas. Of the shifts that took
> place during the Second Sound Shift, this was the most restricted.

Is Su"dalemannisch the ancestor of the Swiss dialects?


*My reply to your post isn't formatting properly for some reason... Anyways,
yes, it's the ancestor of the Swiss German dialects.


> But you just wrote above that OHG text show both <ch> and <k>, which
is
> correct. Only texts from the Südoberdeutsch region would have
<chind>.

The only OHG text I have is Hildebrant, which has _chind_ and
_chuninc_. Where does this text originate?


*The "Hildebrandslied" is a mixed-dialect text, showing Old Saxon aspects as
well as OHG.


Also, Carmina Burana (13th
century I think, from the monastery of Benedictbeuren) has _chumme_
'come (imper)' and _chramer_ 'shopkeeper'. Where is Benedictbeuren?


*It's in Bavaria. I thought Carmina Burana was written in Latin, but
Wikipedia tells me some of it is in MHG. In any case, Benediktbeuren is way
in the south of Bavaria, so it did go through the /k/ --> /kx/ shift.


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>>From the above it looks like we have two competing theories:


*You're attributing that quote to someone, but I don't recall anyone saying
that. Isn't that your comment?


(1) Standard German (StdG) _k_ results from Low German forms.


*Not quite. As Stephan wrote, NHD (neuhochdeutsch) comes from the Meißen
area. That is not Low German country. That area did not undergo the /k/ to
/kx/ shift, so that's why we have all those k's in the words you mentioned
and in the positions I listed, ie. at word-initial position, after a
consonant, and if it was geminated in Germanic.

Peter

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