Re: Information about the ten tribes in the On-Ogur Hungarian confereration.


Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Sinan wrote:
> > > "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,...
> >
> > > Oghuz = young bull ? I am curious, where did you get from?
> > >
> > > I used to think think that "Ogur" and "Oguz" should be the same word.
> > >
> > > Ogu-R (r-Turkic)
> > > Ogu-Z (z-Turkic)
> >
> > Is Turkish Z-Turkic? (terminal r in Turkish sounds something like [Z])
>
> yes, chuvash is the only surviving r-turkic language.
>
> your other comment, though perhaps some food for speculation, is not
> the determining characteristic of z-turkic, and I would write off as
> one of your strange interpretations of turkish phonetics.
>
> incidentally, Menges shows that in "long range" correspondences turkic
> /z/ corresponds to one type of dravidian r

Examples of correspondences? I'd like to know which Dravidian r he's
referring to. <zh> is the typical romanization of a Dravidian liquid an
ancient Indian phonetician called "a type of r". Examples: Kozhikode,
Tamizh. Its rare mispronunciation in Malayalam dialects is [j] and its
common mispronunciation in Tamil dialects is [l.]. Notwithstanding the
transliteration <zh>, it's never mispronounced as [Z] except by
foreigners indulging themselves in "spelling pronunciation".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=kozhikode&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=tamizh&btnG=Search

> and turkic /r/ to another type of dravidian r .

In medial positions, Turkish r sounds like what I call the retroflexed
Dravidian r although others call it the alveolar Dravidian r.

Fred Hamori spells both sounds as r.
http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/dravdict.html

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