Re: Information about the ten tribes in the On-Ogur Hungarian confereration.



ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> > ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > Sinan wrote:
> > > > "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,...
> > >
> > > > Oghuz = young bull ? I am curious, where did you get from?
> > > >
> > > > I used to think think that "Ogur" and "Oguz" should be the same word.
> > > >
> > > > Ogu-R (r-Turkic)
> > > > Ogu-Z (z-Turkic)
> > >
> > > Is Turkish Z-Turkic? (terminal r in Turkish sounds something like [Z])
> >
> > yes, chuvash is the only surviving r-turkic language.
> >
> > your other comment, though perhaps some food for speculation, is not
> > the determining characteristic of z-turkic, and I would write off as
> > one of your strange interpretations of turkish phonetics.
> >
> > incidentally, Menges shows that in "long range" correspondences turkic
> > /z/ corresponds to one type of dravidian r
>
> Examples of correspondences? I'd like to know which Dravidian r he's

I don't have Menges's book with me right now but he only has examples
of turkic /z/ now reconstructed frequently as proto-turkic r^ (polish
rz, czech r^)

to this corresponds to dravidian alveolar r or tamil retroflex l

> referring to. <zh> is the typical romanization of a Dravidian liquid an

turkish r is NEVER confused with *zh* , which exists as a seperaret
phoneme coming from foreign (usually persian or french) words. turkish
r is lightly trilled.

> ancient Indian phonetician called "a type of r". Examples: Kozhikode,
> Tamizh. Its rare mispronunciation in Malayalam dialects is [j] and its
> common mispronunciation in Tamil dialects is [l.]. Notwithstanding the
> transliteration <zh>, it's never mispronounced as [Z] except by
> foreigners indulging themselves in "spelling pronunciation".
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=kozhikode&btnG=Google+Search
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=tamizh&btnG=Search
>
> > and turkic /r/ to another type of dravidian r .
>
> In medial positions, Turkish r sounds like what I call the retroflexed
> Dravidian r although others call it the alveolar Dravidian r.
>
> Fred Hamori spells both sounds as r.
> http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/dravdict.html

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