Re: Information about the ten tribes in the On-Ogur Hungarian confereration.



Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> > > ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > Sinan wrote:
> > > > > "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,...
> > > >
> > > > > Oghuz = young bull ? I am curious, where did you get from?
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to think think that "Ogur" and "Oguz" should be the same word.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ogu-R (r-Turkic)
> > > > > Ogu-Z (z-Turkic)
> > > >
> > > > Is Turkish Z-Turkic? (terminal r in Turkish sounds something like [Z])
> > >
> > > yes, chuvash is the only surviving r-turkic language.
> > >
> > > your other comment, though perhaps some food for speculation, is not
> > > the determining characteristic of z-turkic, and I would write off as
> > > one of your strange interpretations of turkish phonetics.
> > >
> > > incidentally, Menges shows that in "long range" correspondences turkic
> > > /z/ corresponds to one type of dravidian r
> >
> > Examples of correspondences? I'd like to know which Dravidian r he's
>
> I don't have Menges's book with me right now but he only has examples
> of turkic /z/ now reconstructed frequently as proto-turkic r^ (polish
> rz, czech r^)

or palatized r' or r + palatization.

>
> to this corresponds to dravidian alveolar r or tamil retroflex l
>

p. 99-100

turkic yu":z (turkish yu"z) < *n~u":r' (or n~u":ri / n~u":ru") "100"
Tamil nu:Ru "100"

turkic ya:z < *n~a:r' (turkish yaz) "summer" Mong. nara "day" Tamil
na:L "day"

turkic to:z < to:r' (turkish toz) "dust" Mong. toro "dust" Tamil tu:L
"dust"

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