Re: Information about the ten tribes in the On-Ogur Hungarian confereration.



ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> > ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> > > > ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > incidentally, Menges shows that in "long range" correspondences
> > > > > > turkic /z/ corresponds to one type of dravidian r
> > >
> > > > > <zh> is the typical romanization of a Dravidian liquid an
> > > > > ancient Indian phonetician called "a type of r". Examples: Kozhikode,
> > > > > Tamizh.
> > > >
> > > > turkish r is NEVER confused with *zh* ,
> > > > which exists as a seperaret
> > > > phoneme coming from foreign (usually persian or french) words.
> > >
> > > Dravidian <zh> is nothing like that; it is frictionless. It is used for
> >
> > then don't render it with *zh*
>
> I didn't define the convention of using zh for a frictionless
> continuant; it just happens to be the convention that is currently
> used. The provenance of the convention is conceivably a European's

it seems to be a convention for tamil or similar languages, and as
you point out a bad one so no need to apply it to turkish.

> mispronunciation of the sound. Alternatively, it might be because in
> some dialects of Tamil, it has friction in some contexts - eg.
> Vizhupuram, Thirukazhukunram.
>
> > > I couldn't hear the
> > > Turkish r trilled in a terminal position; it sounded substantially like
> > > a Czech r^.
> >
> > your interpretation of turkish sounds has always been very peculiar,
> > and others seem to debate you about english. in final position, turkish
> > r even has a tendency to drop, similar to the nearly regular condition
> > in Karachay.
>
> On this page, I can hear terminal r trilled only in mIsIr and motor and
> don't hear it dropped in any of the other words. I'm curious as to how

it's only dropped occassionally in low register speech.

like bir "one" > bi (found frequently in cartoons).
present tense ending =yor- > =yo- (rural speech).


> the other terminal r's sound to other non-Turks.
> http://www.onlineturkish.com/pronun.asp

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