Re: Primary and secondary stress in pt-PT

Ruud Harmsen wrote:

http://rudhar.com/foneport/en/noteport.htm#Note15
What I transcribe as Sampa /1/ (I think it's i" in Kirshenbaum), close
central unrounded, is often really more like /M/ (close back
unrounded). In other words, its'an /u/ without the rounding. In yet
other words, it's the Turkish undotted i.

To be honest I don't know. I couldn't open the cardinal vowels' links you give.

I'm operating under the analysis that the portuguese system is made approximately of:

i   I U   u
e    @    o
E    a    O

I and U being the barred ones. U is usually disregarded because it isn't very distinct from u (while I is quite distinct from i and @), the front side of the spectrum being more spread out.

Whereas you seem to posit something like

i        W u
e    @    o
E    a    O

with W (turned-m) in the place of 'my' I and U. But I don't think that's it.

Since you mention it, I'd say the french schwa is midway between our I and our @ and more rounded than both.

That may make a reduced written o and e diffucult to distinguish: the
only remaining difference is the rounding. The influence on
consonants, of vowels that themselves have almost disappeared, may be
a velarisation in both cases, but with or without lip-rounding. The example "comemoração" (see my other post) should shed some light
on this. Liprounding as a distinctive factor for a bilabial soujnd
like [m] is a bit strange, but I do hear that diference between the
two m's of comemoração.

This is complicated by the fact that the rest of the environment is rounded. In my case it's either [,kumImur@s'@~w] or [,kummUr@s'@~w] or, God hopefully forbidding, [,kumr@s'@~w]. But this last one with quite a few consonantal artifacts, as you yourself explained.
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