Re: Phonemes

David Wright Sr. wrote:
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> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> news:42B3767E.225C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
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> > David Wright Sr. wrote:
> >
> >> > (BTW those bottom-notes are very annoying.)
> >
> >> Oh, you could be referring to my habit of footnoting for which, sometimes,
> >> I forget to put the note. If that is the case, then I can only say that I
> >> prefer to footnote things which are not, IMO, specifically germane to the
> >> immediate discussion.
> >
> > My very first word processor, PerfectWriter, which came with the Kaypro
> > 4'84, had an option of putting the footnotes immediately after the
> > paragraph in which they were noted. I couldn't imagine why anyone would
> > want to do that, but email wasn't available yet.
>
> I would think that that would be a simple matter of preference of style. I
> prefer to put mine near the bottom.

So you have no concern for the comfort and convenience of your readers?
If your posting is 20 screens long, and there are 6 endnotes, you know
how much scrolling that involves?

> >> >> written in 1948 called 'Gulf'. In it, the author using the work of
> >> >> Ogden and Richards in Basic English, and Alfred Korzybski in General
> >> >> Semantics, and implicitly, some linguist[2], postulated a language
> >> >> called 'speedtalk'. In
> >> >
> >> > It doesn't really sound like Bloomfield's sort of thing, but Jespersen
> >> > was into conlangs. Sweet wrote dismissively of them in the 11th
> >> > Britannica.
> >>
> >> I wasn't connecting Bloomfield to any notion of artificial languages.
> >
> > "some linguist, probably Bloomfield, postulated a language called
> > 'speedtalk.'"
> >
>
> Look at the whole sentence, RAH using the work of 'three people',
> postulated... The intent was to show various portions of the input which RAH
> used, "Basic English" from O&R, a better and more logical language based on K
> and some linguistic theory, most probably, IMO, from Bloomfield.
>
> >> >> simple terms, speedtalk was based on the notion of one phoneme per word
> >> >> for
> >> >
> >> > Then it is by definition not a possible human language -- there's no
> >> > duality of patterning!
> >>
> >> Can you explain what you mean by 'duality of patterning'. I don't recall
> >> ever hearing that one. Why would the lack of it make it a non-possible
> >> human language?
> >
> > We just did this three days ago!
> >
> > Hockett's most basic Design Feature of language. Little meaningless
> > units are combined into bigger meaningful units.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I didn't make any connection with any previous
> discussion. However, I don't see how such a definition would apply in this
> case. There would be no need for 'small meaningless' units. I can't see how
> the lack of such would preclude it from being a 'human language'. For the
> other reasons I have mentioned, I don't think it possible, but that's another
> question.

Because "800 words" gets you almost nowhere. ("Basic English" was a
fraud, overlooking the fact that every phrasal verb is a separate
lexical item and has to be memorized individually. There were not 18
verbs, there were hundreds and hundreds.)
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@xxxxxxx
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