Re: USSR vs /hitler/

Aidan,

> > > > Russian has no phoneme that corresponds directly to Germanic /h/.
> > >
> > > What does "to correspond directly" mean here?
> > > Doesn't russian /g/ in /gitler/ directly correspond to /h/ in /hitler/?
> > > Or does it correspond to /h/ indirectly?
> > > Or what?
> >
> > He meant Russian has no [h].
>
> It does have [h], in southern accents for Г, and from what someone is
> telling me on another list, as an occasional allophone of /x/.

The southern Russian/Ukrainian pronunciation of г is not [h], but hooked
[h] (sorry, too lazy to look up the ASCII version) -- the voiced glottal
fricative. [h] is voiceless. Russian has no real equivalent of the
Germanic [h] -- [x] is the wrong point of articulation (and has a lot
more frication than the target sound), and hooked [h] is voiced. And
that's ignoring the palatalized/unpalatalized mess you get into with
Russian.

Cheers,
Keith
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