Re: Indo-European Origins and Geography


"Darkstar" <darkstar100@xxxxxxxx> wrote...

> Miguel:

>> Catalan hasn't died off in France. Rossellonès has a few
>> peculiarities of its own, mostly transitional to
>> Languedocien, but it's basically an East Catalan dialect.

> Before we run into a long debate on the origins of Catalan, I could
> point out the following

> 1) The southeastern Pyranees are not high enough to provide substantial
> barrier for the linguistic expansion. For this reason, a subdialect of
> Catalan (Rousillon) is spoken in French Catalonia
(Pyrenees-Orientales).
> 2) The western Pyranees are indeed high, hence we have the Gascon
> dialect of Occitan in Gascony that is sometimes viewed as a separate
> language or a special dialect of Occitan.

But Gascon lies on thge *same* side of the Pyrenees as all other varieties
of Occitan!

OTOH, Basque does occur on both sides of the western Pyrenees, and has for
millenia, though during the last 2000 years its distribution seems to have
changed from largely north of the Pyrenees (Aquitania) to predominately
south of them. The mountains don't seem to have done much splitting there.

John.


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