Re: Maria del Carmen means?


"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Ekkehard Dengler wrote:
>
>> > > > > ??? I cannot see your point. Would you say that "the Everest" is
>> > > > > not
>> > > > > English because the formal term is "mount Everest"?
>> > > >
>> > > > No, I'd say it's not English because it doesn't occur in English.
>> > >
>> > > "Everest" is definitely common without the article, though. Try
>> > > googling for
>> > > "climbing Everest".
>> >
>> > I don't see what that has to do with the non-English-ness of "the
>> > Everest."
>>
>> Nothing really, it's the answer to your question: "Where did the 'Mount'
>> go?". Javi was right to point out that it's natural for a redundant word
>> to
>> be dropped. Cf. "the Mississippi River" and "the Mississippi".
>
> In California (it used to be an L.A. thing; a few years ago I asked
> about it and found that it's reached SF as well), numbered highways take
> "the"; here in the East they don't. "Then you take the 405" vs. "Then
> you take 95." (I've even heard the "the" snuck into sitcoms set in NYC,
> along with "red zones" and other L.A.-specific phenomena.)
> --
> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@xxxxxxx

I can't vouch for L.A., but I've been living in the S.F. Bay Area most of my
life and I've _never_ heard anyone use "the" with a numbered highway. As
with the "the Mississippi River"/"the Mississippi" example above, _named_
freeways will retain the article, e.g. "the Nimitz Freeway" and the
"MacArthur Freeway" become "the Nimitz" and "the MacArthur", but the
numbered highways (whose formal names never included the article "the" to
begin with) simply drop "Highway" and do not add "the" ---- "Highway 80" and
"Highway 580" become simply "80" and "580".

P.S. This probably reveals my ignorance of L.A., but what's so
"L.A.-specific" about a "red zone"? In L.A. does a "red zone" indicate
something other than a portion of the curb painted red to indicate "No
Parking"?


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