Re: a little help


Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> John Atkinson wrote:
> >
> > "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...
> >
> > > John Atkinson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Colin Fine" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...
> > >>
> > >> > I do think of shortenings in -o as Australian, but the only example I
> > >> > can
> > >> > think of (apart from Abo, which doesn't really count) is 'chicko roll',
> > >> > which occurs in one of Eric Bogle's songs about Australians.
> > >>
> > >> Why doesn't Abo count? It sounds to me completely typical.
> > >
> > > It's not a truncation + o. It's just a truncation.
> >
> > Except that <aborigine> (/&b@rIdZ@ni:/) has /-@-/ , not /o:/ (or /VU/ or
> > /oh/, depending on which symbol one prefers for the "long O" phoneme in
> > <abo>).
> >
> > It's no more a pure truncation than /dEro:/ is a truncation of /dEr@lIkt/,
> > or /kA.mpo:/ a truncation for /kA.mp@nseIS@n/.
> >
> > "O" addition is a feature of working class spoken language, not something
> > invented by the literati who were conscious of how words were spelled.
> >
> > > (Hmm, it could've been the model for the Australian habit.)
> >
> > Seems unlikely to me.
>
> The <o> in <aborigine> isn't pronounced as a _rounded_ reduced vowel?
>
> What do Australian philologists suggest as the origin?
>
> > >> "Chiko Roll" (note spelling), on the other hand, is a brand name, and
> > >> therefore somewhat dubious.
> > >
> > > Brand name for what?
> >
> > A sort of spring roll. Originally it did contain chicken, though not in its
> > present-day manifestation, as Brian notes.
>
> So that _is_ an example. Brian's description made it doubtful. I take it
> down there commercial mutton is cheaper than commercial chicken?

plus these days everything tastes like (commercial) chicken anyway. :-)

There is a product called "draino". It's a drainage clearing liquid.
The bottle in my garage is actually called "Liquid Dra~no"
(a~ is an "a" with macron) :-o
In case you wonder about the macron, it's made in NZ.

pjk

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