Re: Wow! It's a Yogh!


<ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx> wrote...
>
> Neeraj Mathur wrote:

>> <ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx> wrote...
>> >
>> > Neeraj Mathur wrote:

>> >> <ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> >> > The list "were won win wee wool woo wet wane wan wine woe war wow"
>> >> > seems to give an inventory of vowels and diphthongs after w. No
>> >> > [A:].
>> >> > Whether [@] occurs after [w] is questionable.
>> >>
>> >> What about 'whack', in those dialects that wouldn't make it voiceless?
>> >
>> > [w&k], not [w@k] or [wAk], as far as I've heard.
>>
>> Of course; sorry, I misinterpreted the symbols. (Where have you heard
>> 'whack' pronounced [wAk]? That's pretty strange!
>
> Nowhere; I meant "not [w@k] and not [wAk]". I thought I got the
> pronunciation of the a in whack with "wan" but I was wrong about the
> pronunciation of wan. That introduces the question - are "whack and
> wacky" used in the UK or is there no word used in EnUK with & after w?

Of course they are. And they do have /w&-/. Others are thwack and wangle
and wag and wagon. A following velar appears to block the sound change of
the vowel after /w/ and /wh/ that occurs otherwise.

Is the vowel of "what", "want", etc an allophone of /&/? It clearly was
once upon a time, but I don't think it is now, even though that sound change
is apparently still active. Opinions?

>> But that reminds me, does
>> your list not omit the vowel of 'walk'?)
>
> Sorry; I was thinking in terms of EnUK where <walk> and <war> have the
> same vowel.

Correct.

> Even <spot> and <paw> have vowels that are much the same in
> quality although perhaps not in length. (listen to the pronunciation of
> "spots" in the movie "101 Dalmatians").

Not so for nearly all Brits. "Spot" has the same vowel as "want", but "paw"
is the same as "walk" and "corn".

John.


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