Re: Tehran/Mehran


"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...

> John Atkinson <johnacko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...
>
> [...]
>
>>> I remind you of the [ç] / /ç/ dispute of the 1950s.
>
>>> "ç" doesn't get to be a phoneme if morpheme boundaries
>>> are allowed to be considered, and the vote here seemed
>>> to be that in fact it isn't one.
>
>> I haven't heard of this particular dispute, but I think I
>> get the drift of what you're saying. Could you throw at
>> me a few English words with [ç] -- putative /ç/ -- and
>> maybe a minimal pair or two -- just to make sure I do?
>
> I believe that Peter's talking about German phonology and
> pairs like <Kuhchen> (diminutive of <Kuh> 'cow' in some
> varieties in which <-chen> doesn't trigger umlaut) and
> <Kuchen>, or <fauchen> 'to hiss' and <Vauchen> 'little v'.

OK, I remember that one -- it was done to death here just a month or so ago.
Somehow I had got the idea fixed in my head that Peter was talking about
English (as he was with N and h). But of course there was no reason at all
for me to make that assumption.

John.


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