Re: what is etymology? (linguistics and biology)

Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > > Even the Gospel according to Mark dates from the second
> > > century AD, as I remember having read, so the text we have
> > > is not the original. I am sorry about Aramaic, it was Hebrew.
> > > I looked up a paper clip at home, and now quote from the
> > > memory. Hebrew 'l' can be read with Ain, then it gives el,
> > > meaning to. Or it can be read with Aleph, then it gives al,
> > > and means on:
> > >
> > > el ha-Majin --- to the water
> > > al ha-Majin --- on the water
> > >
> > > Sorry if there should be a typo. This explanation is not
> > > by me, but I find it convincing. Jesus walked to the water,
> > > Jesus walked on the water ...
> >
> > This is utter bullshit.
> >
> > First of all, produce some evidence of such a late dating of Mark.
> >
> > Second, whenever Mark is dated, we don't have the ms. from the hand of
> > the writer, so of course it's not "original."
> >
> > Third, it's not a translation.
> >
> > Fourth, any Semitic substrate is Aramaic, not Hebrew.
> >
> > Fifth, whether Hebrew or Aramaic, there is nothing that could be "read"
> > as _either_ `ayin or aleph; they are completely different letters, which
> > stood for completely different sounds (i.e. phonemes). <'l> 'to' and
> > <`l> 'on' could not be confused, either orally or in writing (no vowels
> > were written in 1st- or 2nd-century Aramaic or Hebrew). Both of those
> > are completely different from the prefix <l>, which also means 'to' (and
> > many other things; 'l and `l also both have many other "meanings" as
> > well; function words, or grammatical morphemes, don't translate
> > one-to-one to grammatical morphemes in other languages).
> >
> > Sixth, the Hebrew word for 'water' ends with -m, not -n. (The definite
> > article ha- shows that the phrases are meant to be Hebrew.)
> > --
> > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@xxxxxxx
>
> If that quote from an article in a fairly reliable newspaper
> should be bull I apologize.

You said you "looked up a [news]paper clip[ping] at home, and now quote
from the memory." (A paper clip is something else.) Don't try to blame
the journalist -- but when has a journalist ever gotten details of
anything technical correct anyway?

> The author of that article refered
> to the work of theologists, but no names were given, so I
> could not check the original publication and its value, and
> I didn't learn Hebrew, so I must rely on what other people
> tell me. On the other hand,

.... and here the wandering begins ...
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@xxxxxxx
.

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