Re: Your first "linguistic" memory


ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
Miguel Carrasquer wrote:

But the vowel quality is always [i]?
yes. well, give or take a minute detail that may or may not take place
and that is not obvious.
Between the <i>s in <taksim> and <taksi>, the difference in quality
wasn't minute enough to be unnoticable.
it's a difference in stress. I assume you mean Taksim square, i.e.
Taksim proper noun, not taksim "dividing" normally short /i/ (except in
the perso-arabizing register) since the syllable is shut it would
short even if etymologically long (it is etymologically long, but that
is not the issue). proper nouns receive stress in the first syllable.
there was this problem before for the same reason.

The difference in stress seems to cause differences in both length and
quality. The difference in quality is not as great as between EnUS [i:]
& [I] but with the unstressed /i/ being at least as close to [I] as to
[i], it's easy to interpret it as [I].

well, obviously there is some difference but these are bad examples of
typical turkish pronounciation as they are non-vowel harmonic
loanwords, foreign words if you like since they have not been
completely assimilated into the native system.


just after the Conquest, present day Taksim was the site where the
spoils were divided among the troops(a certain percentage must be
divided amongst the troops acc. to Islamic law). hence the name.

Fascinating! I've heard a legend along these lines:
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/5882b/1c0a38/
The Turks find nothing from the legendary riches of the city,
everything was sacrificed in the attempt to save it. What was not
destroyed by the Turks, mad because they did not find the promised
wealth as war spoil, was destroyed in time by the Nature, through
earthquakes.


obviously there was still plenty of booty to go around as the site of
the square was named "division". also this is not a reliable website.
the name "istanbul" was known to the arabs before the the turks, and
merely comes from greek "to the city". the punning name isla^mbol
("city of islam" and understood by most turks as "abundant in islam" is
a later "pun" used in coins but not all that popular.

the difference in quality, if it occurs at all, is not phonemic.

That, of course.

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