Re: Petition to UN on Abolishment of Traditional Chinese in 2008
- From: Tak To <takto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:11:32 -0500
Dylan Sung wrote:
"Lee Sau Dan" <danlee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:87sloxc1of.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"yky" == yky <yky@xxxxxxx> writes:
yky> Dylan Sung wrote:
>> So why did the traditional character set Big5 merge zhe5
>> (aspect particle of continuing action) and zhuo (to wear)?
>> There was no justification for that either, so don't just blame
>> the simplification side.
yky> Huh? Those two are different characters?
Maybe, he meant zhu4, as in zhi4ming2 (famous), pian1zhu4 (to edit and
write [a book]), etc.
Big5 has since long been extended to include zhe5/zhuo.
http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=8457&useutf8=true
http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=7740&useutf8=true
More info:
u+8457 = Morohashi #31302; "grass" radical + 8 strokes.
u+7740 = Morohashi #23339; "eye" radical + 6 strokes.
However, the "correct" form for both is actually Morohashi
#31410; "grass" radical + 9 strokes. It differs from
Morohashi #31302 (u+8457) by having an extra dot at the
middle of the character.
Neither Morohashi #31302 (u+8457) nor Morohashi #23339
(u+7740) is in the copy of Kangxi that I have. (ISBN
7-101-00518-7; Zhonghua Shuju, Beijing; 1st ed 1958;
11th printing 2002). OTOH Morohashi #31340 is in, as
expected.
The Unihan DB appears to have errors on these two code points.
Specifically,
(1) The entry for u+8457 refers to Kangxi Index
"1440 260"[*]. However, on page 1440 one finds only
Morohashi #31410 (with extra dot), not Morohashi #31302
(u+8457).
[*] I have never figured out what the second number is for.
(2) The entry for u+7740 refers to Kangxi Index
"0808 051". Howeve, on page 808 there is no such character.
This shows, once again, that neither Big5 nor Unicode are
(good) pedagogic standards.
Tak
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